CBCP: Disclose Mayuga Report

Never underestimate the power of the church! The late Jaime Cardinal Sin proved it during the Edsa power of 1986. Without the Catholic church’ support for Ramos and Enrile, that revolution could have been blooded and a fiasco! The strong reason probably why Arroyo remains deaf and insensitive because she sees the new church leaders are not as strong as Cardinal Sin. Bad calculation, Madame Arroyo! Remember, if there is one thing the people is still holding on, that is their faith! The faith in their church can be a strong reason to “listen” more to the message from the pulpit!

Very good comment Phil! However, as you said, we can all wait until we’re all blue in our faces, but Gloria will surely buy her way out of this mess again as she had successfully done in the past. (not that I’m saying the CBCP can be bought)

If she allows this report to come out, out comes also the lies and fabrications they did to manipulate this report and to cover the participants’ butts.

Disgruntled but still hopeful our day will come.

Obviosly, the CBCP is flexing it’s muscle.
It seems that the church wants to present itself as a “jack of all trades but master of non”.
Doing everything because religion & morals is supposed to be something that is in every aspect of our lives.
Since it appears that the moral fiber of society has digenerated so much. Is it not a reflection of the failure of the church to do their role?
The CBCP has it’s own reasons to demand for the Mayuga report.
The Senators too have their own reasons.
Does it mean that the CBCP indirectly supports the senators in whatever agenda they may have?
Why does the the CBCP just go to the SC & demand the Mayuga report stright forward insted of coming up w/ their pastoral editorials that bit around the bush w/ so much false paity?
Why can’t the CBCP leave it to the politicians to attend to political matters?
The CBCP, the Church by itself have more work then they can handel in their role of spreading the teachings of the church.
Is it not possible that the church act w/ prudence?
Does the CBCP fill that we are still leaveing in the times of the “frailes” when it was the religious who would influence the civilian authorities?
Has the CBCP ever said anything about the morality of those who are behind the elligal garci tapes?
To this day they remain forever in the shadows & have caused so much damage to the country.
It seems that the CBCP has has taken the popular stand of feasting on the content just like all the different groups that are involved in the power struggle.

CBCP is on the ball.

GMA’s best move is to go on a leave of absence, allow a real impeachment proceeding to take its due course, let the people’s will and the rule of law prevail.

The Bishops and the people will be on her side if she

Let go and let God.

yah nga gwaping, it’s also a scratch my back thing.
But my bottom line is the CBCP/ Church should keep out of politics.
Because w/ their obligation alone of evangelizing and all that stuff they hardly have time & people.
Because in reality their vocations are not growing.
People who “know it all” are the most likely to commit blunders.Add that to having God on your side & it gets worst!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but does the CBCP fill presured or has the obligation to have to say something all the time?
If they talk of Godly matters, ok, amen ako, that is their specialty.
But when it’s about politics mixed w/ religion, that is another story.
Why don’t they publish the church social teachings to the public?
That is their obligation.
Why do they just say it w/ their own interpetation already?

…agree joselu!

JM: imagine if the department of justice or the nbi intervened during the time when Bishop Bacani is being accused of sexual harrassment, what would the church do? (Don’t get me wrong, i don’t necessarily believe on the allegation).

Or can you imagine if the government would campaign for someone during the election of CBCP?

Never, in the history of this country, has a corrupt leader voluntarily surrender evidence that will destroy him/herself. In all occassion, it took extraordinary means (People power). Kaya huwag na kayong umasa na malalabas pa ang katotohanan.

There’s no great reward which isn’t hard earned, you have to fight for it. Kung sa tingin nyo na di nyo na kaya, eh di tayo na sa EDSA.

By the way, ok lang hawak ni Glo ang Generals, ang kinatatakutan naman sa AFP ay ang junior officers. Ask your military relatives or friends, sasabihin nila sa inyo na pag majority nang junior officers ay magwiwithdraw na nang support, bumabaliktad agad ang generals. Kundi kakatayin nila ang mga magnanakaw na iyan.

Suggestion :
why don’t we type our messages first in a text editor with spell-checking capability, like say, MS Word, WordPerfect, AmiPro, etc. Then proceed to post our comments by cut-n-paste. This way we avoid the annoying misspellings – for purposes of clarity. I don’t mind one or two slips but several times in a sentence seems intolerable. Look at the 4th comment above, 7th sentence, 6 misspellings. It’s hard to figure such mistakes coming from a very articulate person as Mr. Joselu.

As responsible bloggers, we owe it to the site owners for providing us with the opportunity to air our views. The blogsite deserves as much respect as the messages we want to convey.

Unless there is an ulterior motive.

good move by CBCP. kung sa thailand ang hari ang nagbibigay ng moral guidance sa kanilang mga pinuno, dito sa pilipinas being a catholic nation tama lang na eto ay gampanan nang CBCP or ng simbahan as what Pope John Paul 2 wanted the church to do when its flock is in trouble. CBCP should go further and ask gloria to do the supreme sacrifice of resigning for reconciliation sake and tell her “You are not the chosen one to lead this nation so stop pretending.” the church should make itself relevant by giving sound advise to our leaders other than preaching the Words of God on their sermons.

I will be in favor of amending the constitution once GMA is gone. It’s the right time.

besides, will the proposed amendments be different today or later? I think’s it’ll be the same! Will it amendments vary/defend if Noli will be it, or Mar Roxas, or Frank (hypocrite) Drilon, or Manny Villar, or Jinggoy, or Bong Revilla, or Loren (another hypocrite) Legarda?

Gwaping, GMA has the capacity to use the charter change to clear herself of everything that has happened in her term. I don’t want that to happen. If she’s proven to be quilty (personally or by command responsibility of the charges against her, i would like to see her see jail as erap is having now).

gwaping, i favor amendment too and i think that’s the stand of everybody also even the opposition. if there is a provision in the amendment that will guarantee gloria will not be part of the present govt. then let’s do it now. basta out of reach lang ni gloria para hindi niya magamit sa pag-extend ng kanyang termino. she is tainted already as what jon said. the difference between those personalities you’ve mentioned and gloria.

sabi nga ni lee kwan yew, “You commit unlawful acts and then apologized, then you say LET’S MOVE ON”, Of course you have to move on but you should be out of politics.”

jr-lad, exactly my point. I’m just trying to point out that under the command responsibily as chief executive, she could only resign or vacate her office if the wrongdoings is comitted by her subordinates without her complicity. But since she’s in the middle of it, I can only wish it’s going to be resolved sooner than later.

of course she can’t clear it but she will continue her reign as what they intend to do in the new system and even avoid impeachment (http://www.pcij.org/blog/?p=745).

if she’s out now she will be charged immediately w/ plunder and just like estrada she will go straight to jail without bail.

the changing of the constitution is advocated by the administration and not by the opposition as a quick fix(?) to people’s problems. but the opposition knows its importance too. what is being opposed is the timing.

Take out the provisions which are so self-serving and I will favor Cha-Cha. The No-El, the powers given to GMA as both president and PM, the 3/4 vote for impeachment, no term limits for MPs. We must strengthen the political party system to effect genuine change. GMA said to start the great debate, but the way I see it, there is no debate. What the administration is doing is rammig the Cha-Cha down our throats. Let’s do away with Trapos and be very strict with campaign funding. I would also favor electing the commissioners of the COMELEC. Let’s do away with the way election protests are delegated so we can avoid the “So Noted” dialogue in canvassing. Let’s do away with political appointees to avoid “utang na loob” and demoralization of the different institutions.. Strengthen the promotion sysytem in the military and police. With these in place, I suppose our nation will be more matured and stable.

You hit it right Toro.

toro,

i must admit, though grudgingly, tis kinda tiring sometimes.
doubly so, if being reminded that, “… life isn’t fair even in democracies…”
who is going to argue, with that?

BUT, if it is, what is the point in all these?

you argued that,”… majority of our people will not join the crusade in ousting GMA, because they will be joined by trapos, and sympathizers and supporters of the communist left who have political agendas of their own…”, this particular point,- i humbly beg to disagree.

in its rawest meaning, an action or inaction of an individual or group, already constitute a message.
every political agenda has a message, whether this message is to our liking or interest, is another question.

i have more than once called for openness, implied or otherwise, to give way into a group (or collective, if you will) dissection of a message, be it coming from Left (btw, does not necessitate to that of the communist), or the Right.

i realize just now, that many commentaries made by great minds in this blog, may not agree or even vehemently disagree with me for saying this; there is NO such thing as political Center, in contemporary local politics.

of course, almost all of our politicians and leaders (self-styled or otherwise) conveniently portray themselves as CENTRIST- whatever this means, is lost on me. what is clear to me, though, is they seek refuge to this particular veneer of semantics to create a smokescreen for their self-serving and hideous interests.

as an alternative, may i suggest that henceforth, we tackle message per message instead, as against the EFFORTLESS bundling of a particular political group agenda as commie, lefty or righty. personally, i have very little problems accepting or rejecting a message if done this way.

and this is not to say, that all messages of the political left merits my support or that am in agreement. there are also valid points raised by political right that deserves a closer look.

point is, maybe, just maybe- we can help here in clarifying, crystallizing an issue for the people who will eventually decide in the end. FOR US…

Jon, Schumey, Freewheel, Toro:

…who accepts amendments, is it Gloria or is it us?
…why are you surrendering that power of constitutional amendments approval to Gloria, IT IS US WHO WILL DECIDE TO APPROVE NOT HER, DON’T BE AFRAID, WHAT THE OPPOSITION SHOULD DO IS TO REPRESENT WITHOUT BIAS THE NEEDED AMENDMENTS, EVEN IF THE ADMINISTRATION WILL PREVAIL, IT IS THE PEOPLE WHO WILL DECIDE. AND IF YOU ARE RIGHT IN YOUR THINKING THAT MANY OR MAJORITY OF THE VOTERS OR PROBABLY THE WHOLE NATION WANTED GLORIA OUT THEN NO AMOUNT OF POWER CAN CHANGE OUR DECISION. AGAIN IT IS US WHO WILL APPROVE THE AMENDMENT NOT GLORIA!!!

…use those CONDITIONS as rallying point, DO NOT SURRENDER!

I may share your thoughts, Freewheel, but obviously we are a minority when we see that a greater majority do not share that belief.

Schumey, there’s a whale of difference between a true social activist and a so-called socialist activist that fronts for the NPA. I am a proactive social activist but not a communist. There’s nothing wrong with being a communist, for after all it is only an ideology. What makes a communist ideologue unacceptable is when it conspires to overthrow a democratic govt. like Joma Sison and his NPAs are doing. Have you ever heard the Batasan 5 repudiating or rejecting the NPA for their criminal activities?

Gwaping, who says I’m surrending my right to vote on the charter amendment. I have said it before and will say it again, I will vote for the amendment to the charter only if it is done through a constitutional convention whose members are duly elected for that purpose.. A charter “fixed” by the incumbent members of congress assembled as a constitutional assembly is unacceptable to me. They were elected primarily to make laws and not to amend or change the Constitution.

Jester, it goes without saying, surely the present Comelec has to be disbanded and reformed before any election is undertaken. What’s the use of having even a plebiscite if the same Comelec personalities are holding the fort.

All of us have our reasons for our personal preferences. It does not matter if we disagree on certain issues or not. Your views may be better than mine. Just do it.