July 21, 2005 · Posted in: In the News

Polls say Arroyo should go

MAJORITY of Filipinos say President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo should resign, according to surveys done by IBON Foundation and CNN/Time.

Conducted on July 8-17, the IBON survey reveals 68.6 percent of 1,379 respondents says they want the president out of office. Of this, 46.41 percent thinks she should resign, 19.43 percent says she should be impeached, and 11.82 percent says she should be ousted by another “People Power” revolt.

More Filipinos also believe that the president was not sincere when she apologized for her “lapse in judgment” in calling Comelec Commissioner Virgilio Garcillano during the May 2004 elections. The survey also shows that most Filipinos are unhappy with the President’s performance.

The CNN/Time poll, on the other hand, shows that 57 percent thinks Arroyo should quit. Of the 600 respondents, 38.5 percent, however, says she should complete her term. This survey was done at about the same time the Pulse Asia conducted its National Capital Region survey on July 2-8. Both surveys were done after the president’s June 27 apology.

Pulse Asia states 41 percent of Metro Manilans think the president should either resign, be impeached, or snap elections should be held. In its nationwide survey conducted on June 20-23, majority of Filipinos say they want Arroyo out. This result, they say, counters the claim of Malacañang that the sentiments of those within Metro Manila differ from those of the rest of the country.

See results of the surveys here:

109 Responses to Polls say Arroyo should go

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lethal_pointofview

July 21st, 2005 at 9:10 pm

Sureveys…

These are all colorful perceptions of the people…

I understand they are extremely used last elections by all camps from opposition to the administration,,,especially to the die hard politicos…

Although they bare some significance…

But what can i say…

GLoria is deaf…might be blind about the findings…including her die hard fan…

they say surveys doesn’t represent the whole nation…

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eyesWIDEopen

July 21st, 2005 at 9:17 pm

when the survey says good about GMA, surely admin will say “this survey represent the people”.

surely GMA and her club will again trumpet that “the results fo these surveys from SWS, PUlse Asia, Time-CNN, and IBON, does not represent the whole nation.”

ganoon lang yon.

somehow, i pity GMA, she is a mother surrounded by people who are not telling her the true scenario of the country.

parang si “Queen marie antonette de france” during the french revolution. hindi niya nakita ang tunay na saloobin ng francia.

sana makonsensya na ang mga nasa paligid niya.

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hardinera

July 21st, 2005 at 9:37 pm

The only reason daw why GMA doesn’t want to give up her seat (yet) is that her butt is the only thing that keeps more worms from spilling over the can she sits on. It’s only a matter of time before the worms creep up and get her not-so-presidential butt.

Tsk, tsk…

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ParengPepe

July 21st, 2005 at 9:49 pm

Even if you get a survey from God Himself or His saints and angels, with the same results, she will cling to power like flies on s_ _ t. She knows that once she loses that grip, she and the rest of her cohorts will forever be looking at their rear view mirrors.

Mrs. Arroyo, kung ano ang itinanim, siya ring aanihin. It’s harvest time. Please don’t let the door hit you on your way out.

To Bunye, Ermita, Defensor, Villafuerte, Gonzales, etc. It’s time to take your lips off her derrier. The end is coming.

You have to be either very stupid or very well compensated to not see the writing on the wall.

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juanbagwis

July 21st, 2005 at 9:58 pm

IBON survey: Arroyo’s net satisfaction rating up
The latest survey of IBON Foundation, a left-leaning think-tank, showed that President Arroyo’s net satisfaction rating increased slightly this month, during the height of calls for her to resign.
abs-cbnNEWS.com (7/21/2005 1:04:18 PM)

Above is a twist from ABS-CBN website, they didnt get the most damaging part for gma as a headline

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glolykglue

July 21st, 2005 at 10:53 pm

the result of the survey says 8 out of 10 filipinos want arroyo out….kaya nga hindi 10 out of 10 dahil nandiyan pa yung mga tuta na kapit tuko din kay pandak. why is this stupid bunye complains he’s not included in any survey? ayaw lang makita ang nakaksilaw na katotohanan. kung census ang gagawin at isa isa tatanungin, baka maging 9.9 out of 10 pa ang result, either diyan sa pilipinas or dito sa abroad. in the church where i am attending here in canada, lahat ay ayaw ke pandak at dapat nang mapaalis by any means….
…..by the way whatever happened to mirriam, recto and kiko pangilinan? i haven’t read any thing from them for days now. somebody update me please…..

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ParengPepe

July 22nd, 2005 at 12:16 am

Noted…

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Bensgr8

July 22nd, 2005 at 12:22 am

Bakit di isama internet survey ng Star? Mukhang mas recent ito.

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Chihiro

July 22nd, 2005 at 12:25 am

^ Hindi scientific ang survey ng STAR!

Kung gusto mo isama ang STAr dapat isama mo din ang survey results ng DEBATE ni Mare at Pare at ng yahoo.com.ph

hee hee

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Bensgr8

July 22nd, 2005 at 12:52 am

Hmmmm scientific daw yung sa iba. Sige nga anong methodology ang ginamit nila. Leading questions my friend.

I just want to point out that facts are what would solve our crisis. Not emotions. Remember ang daming umuwi nung 5:00 earthquake hoax.

Pare-pareho tayong pinoy. Kung guilty si GMA, tsupe siya diyan. Pero kung pinaandaran tayo nila Tatad, Ong, Paguia, Cam (people with axes to grind) and co. they should pay for the millions lost because of their still unfounded claims — jeuteng and cheating.

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Chihiro

July 22nd, 2005 at 1:10 am

^ bakit? hanggang ngayon ba tingin mo imbento pa rin ng oposisyon ang Hello….Garci?

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Bensgr8

July 22nd, 2005 at 1:56 am

I’m with you regarding impropriety. No need to spell it out. As to cheating, common, mataas naman siguro IQ mo. It was Garci collecting from both sides of the fence and returning the money of the losing candidate. Kaya nga nagtatago. Wanted by both sides. Even the “Erap tapes” tell you that they really lost faith in winning the presidency. It’s the poor political machinery of GMA’s opponents that you really have to blame. Better luck next time. As to the assasination plot on the Erap tapes….mukhang doubtful.

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opti

July 22nd, 2005 at 2:43 am

Bensgr8,

The poor political machinery of the opposition is only half of the picture. The other half of the picture is the wily and scheming ways of the Palace operatives plus its immodest use of government funds during the elections and their inordnate desire to win against all odds and…. no matter what.

Better luck next time? Walang LUCK sa pandaraya Bensgr8. Lahat ng galaw nakaplano, lahat ng plano may pondo, hanggat maaari, lahat ng kalaban dehado, all for one one for all sa dayaan. Kung hindi lang confessed offender si GMA, lahat ng sinasabi ko rito walang saysay. Pero since umamin na, bagamat pahapyaw at tila naghuhugas ng kamay, buo na ang ating masasabi laban sa political money-uverings ni GMA mula pa noong 2001 hangang ngayon habang siya’y patuloy na humihinga.

I agree with you on the doubtfulness of the Erap tapes. Maingay ang background ng boses ni Erap while ang kausap niya ay parang nag-recording sa isang studio. Halos walang hissing sound. Sabi naman ng iba, si Erap daw kasi naka-celfone, si Ge. Nazareno naman ay naka-landline kaya claro ang sound.

opti

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Chihiro

July 22nd, 2005 at 4:05 am

Bensgr8,

Cheating may be common but it remains unacceptable if we want democracy to work. May sense of right and wrong ka naman siguro, aside from an average IQ.

Ang mahuling mandaraya, sorry na lang. In this case, NABUKING si GMA. Gaya nga ng sabi mo, BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME!!! Kups!!!

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tobebs

July 22nd, 2005 at 6:52 am

With the recent surveys showing the presidents unpopularity and the insistence of Malacanang in creating a Truth Commission without Congress backing, again we are witnessing how ARROGANT Gloria Macapagal Arroyo is. I wish she sits on an electric chair with 20,000 volts.

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benign0

July 22nd, 2005 at 7:23 am

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According to P.N. Abinales:

Much stranger is your forgetting how much of American and European growth was funded by resources — human and natural — from the Third World (remember colonialism?).
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Much stranger yet is this notion that “Third World resources” are valuable in themselves.

Don’t forget that all the oil sitting under those desert kingdoms and all those rubber trees growing in Brazil and Malaysia, and all the labour coming from overpopulated countries like the Philippines would have been all worthless if not for the invention of the technologies, machinery and equipment, and business models that consumes and applies these resources PRODUCTIVELY.

If labour supply and natural resources is what you think makes the Third World great, then how come a Third World country like the Philippines that is abundant in labour and rich (at least we once were) in natural resources is such an utterly poor country?

It’s IDEAS that drive human progress, dude. And ideas is something Philippine society is devoid of.

Pinoy nga naman talaga…

http://www.getrealphilippines.com

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joy4gov

July 22nd, 2005 at 8:19 am

i dont believe in sws survey. dun sa mga nagtutuligsa sa pangulo, wala kayong nagagawang maganda sa bayan, bakit d nyo na lang bigayan ng pagkakataon na ituwid ang pagkakamali nya at magpatuloy na magtulungan sa pag-usad ng ekonomiya. mas lalo nyo lang pinapalala ang crisis ng bansa. pagpalagay na nating nandaya, sa tingin nyo ba ang oposition ay di nandaya??? kaya instead na magbangayan ng magbangayan tulungan na lang natin ang pangulo na paunlarin ang bansa.

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Partisanong Lagalag

July 22nd, 2005 at 8:39 am

benignO, why post that comment here? That is completely out of topic. Your rejoinder to P.N.Abinales is supposed to be under the previous entry “US interest…”. It is becoming quite obvious that all you wanted is attention. Posting comments by way of heckling and arrogance is a poor attempt to disguise your intellectual bankruptcy, it is a patent symptom of Attention Deficiency Disorder.

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 8:40 am

Ahh…BenignO’s myopia continues. This is fun — I haven’t had many a debate with ignorant Americanos in the past months, so it’s nice to have one around.

You are right — it was “labour” (wow, pa-English language pa) from these overpopulated societies that felled the rubber trees in Malaysia, opened the rain forests of Brazil and tapped the oil fields of the Middle East. You conveniently ignore — as like any typical Kano — the fact that it was British-controlled opium that sustained that kept impoverished Chinese labor in the Malay plantations (we’re not even talking who got most of the bulk of the revenues here — surely not the Chinese), Brazilian patrimonial elites and their private armies who made sure peasants continue to destroy the Amazon, and Yakuza gangsters with their partners in the Philippine state who ensure that Japayuki entertainers are paid low and sexually exploited. You also tend to make us believe that all that oil tapping was a friendly affair: the House of Saud was built on British petroleum money and protected/created by the British empire, and the revenues so far have gone to sustaining an extremely reactionary family of monarchs who do not want even their women to vote, and, of course, the Halliburtons, the Shells, the Mobiles of the world.

Finally, you obviously do not know how to read — again typically Kano. Never in my posts did I say “labor suppl and natural resources is what [I] think makes the Third World great.” I noted that the Philippines is in a mess. What I pointed out that your country — the one you declare has the greatest economy in the world — is equally in a bad state.

It’s power — not ideas — that drives human progress, my dear Americano. Look at your presidente and look at ours – yours is an idiot but a fanatically conservative idiot and so he is running roughshod over American democracy. Ours is supposedly smart, with a PhD in economics and a Georgetown undergraduate degee to boot, but is marching us down to the abyss!

Andas for that myth that ideas matter, well, if it is, then this is something your country is slowly throwing away on the wayside.

Tsk, tsk…Kano nga naman talaga. Masyadong babad sa TV at McDonalds at hindi nagbabasa….

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 8:41 am

Amen to Partisanong Lagalag and apologies for responding to my American friend in this discussion.

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Partisanong Lagalag

July 22nd, 2005 at 8:44 am

Erratum: My previous post should have read:

benignO, why post that comment here? This is completely out of topic. Your rejoinder to P.N.Abinales is supposed to be under the previous entry “DepEd’s Fears”. It is becoming quite obvious that all you wanted is attention. Posting comments by way of heckling and arrogance is a poor attempt to disguise your intellectual bankruptcy, it is a patent symptom of Attention Deficiency Disorder.

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benign0

July 22nd, 2005 at 9:00 am

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Partisanong Lagalag said:

“benignO, why post that comment here? This is completely out of topic. Your rejoinder to P.N.Abinales is supposed to be under the previous entry “DepEd’s Fears”. It is becoming quite obvious that all you wanted is attention. Posting comments by way of heckling and arrogance is a poor attempt to disguise your intellectual bankruptcy, it is a patent symptom of Attention Deficiency Disorder.”
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Ho hum. Ad hominum argumentum. You want on topic? Here goes:

The issue of intellectual bankruptcy underpins every issue that plagues the Philippines today. Take these polls and surveys on whatever issue. Note how quickly it catches the attention of small minds and how quickly it removes perspective from debates. Quaint marketing stunts like these work best on weak and shallow minds. And these stunts are in fact working well if you haven’t noticed yet. 😉

You tell me I am starved for attention? What do you call these supposedly pro-bono polls and surveys being issued by these so-called think tanks? Do you honestly believe they are done out of some need to be socially responsible? Look at how many people are dishing out their two-cents about a bunch of statistics.

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P.N. Abinales said:

“It’s power — not ideas — that drives human progress”
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Mr. A, hope you don’t mind if I isolated the above statement of yours because it seems to be the cornerstone of your rather wordy argument.

You say it is power that drives human progress? Step back further and think of where power REALLY comes from:

It is still IDEAS that CREATES and drives power.

For example:

The idea that God shall punish sinners and reward obedience is where religion derives its power.

It’s the idea that royalty is born with the right to govern is where a monarch derives his/her power.

It’s the idea that people are entitled to determine their destinies is where democracy derives its validity.

And it’s the idea that a leader “has the people’s mandate” that lends crediibility to the leaders of a democratic society.

Kung baga, a people who SUBMIT themselves to an idea become subject to the people who create and propagate said idea.

Hitler created the notion that Jews should be exterminated. He derived his power from people who latched on to this idea.

THINK Pinoys, think.

Wag lang sayaw nang sayaw.

😀

http://www.getrealphilippines.com

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 9:19 am

That’s your best shot Benny Boy? To isolate statements while dispensing with the others as “wordy”? Tsk, tsk…typical Kano talaga.

Now as to your idea that IDEAS create and drive power, two things: it is the political and economic contexts in which individuals live in and respond to that ultimately lead them to conceptualizing ideas about life, etc. The “idea that God shall punish sinners and reward obedience is where religion derives its power” is one way in which societies tried to police their ranks as they dealt with hostile environments (the Ten Commandments, my dear Kano, was as much as set of morals as a set of regulations necessary to keep the 12 tribes of Israel bonded as a unit as they went around the desert). The “the idea that royalty is born with the right to govern is where a monarch derives his/her power” was a way of justifying aristocratic rule in a region littered with many fiefdoms and peasant communities, while ” the idea that people are entitled to determine their destinies is where democracy derives its validity” was a way in which colonized communities legitimized their rebellion against their colonizers who had been exploiting them.

Think Kano! Think Kano….huwag lang lumamon palagi ng McDo at manood kay Paula Abdul!

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verna

July 22nd, 2005 at 9:46 am

Malilong: Absurd survey
By Frank Malilong, The Freeman

It isn’t just absurd; it is obscene. I do not know why respectable organizations like the Ibon Foundation, Social Weather Station (SWS) and Pulse Asia should lend, wittingly or unwittingly, credibility to the stupid notion that Metro Manila speaks for the rest of the country. (Yes, its true that Metro Manila has people coming from other provinces but so do other regions.)

There are 80 million Filipinos scattered all over the archipelago and while many are cramped in overcrowded Metro Manila, they do not constitute the majority.

They may be the noisiest; they may speak the loudest but they don’t speak for all of us.

Why Pulse Asia and SWS limited their latest surveys to respondents from Metro Manila bugs me. I am sure the reason had nothing to do with accessibility or the lack of it. We all know that it will not take more than one day to travel from Manila to such faraway places as Batanes or Jolo.

I refuse to speculate, as the others have done, unfairly I might add, that the two poll organizations chose their respondents because they already had a conclusion in mind. But it would have been fair if the questions asked the Metro Manilans were also asked us because after all these questions affected all of us.

The omission only served to fuel further resentment towards Imperial Manila.

The idea of setting up independent (from Manila) republics may have started as a joke but if it has gained adherents, blame it on the blokes who think they inhabit Mt. Olympus from where thunder their edicts to lesser mortals.

I used to laugh at the thought of a Republic of Cebu. Suddenly, it has become rather appealing.

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benign0

July 22nd, 2005 at 9:53 am

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P.N. Abinales said:

Now as to your idea that IDEAS create and drive power, two things: it is the political and economic contexts in which individuals live in and respond to that ultimately lead them to conceptualizing ideas about life, etc. The “idea that God shall punish sinners and reward obedience is where religion derives its power” is one way in which societies tried to police their ranks as they dealt with hostile environments (the Ten Commandments, my dear Kano, was as much as set of morals as a set of regulations necessary to keep the 12 tribes of Israel bonded as a unit as they went around the desert). The “the idea that royalty is born with the right to govern is where a monarch derives his/her power” was a way of justifying aristocratic rule in a region littered with many fiefdoms and peasant communities, while ” the idea that people are entitled to determine their destinies is where democracy derives its validity” was a way in which colonized communities legitimized their rebellion against their colonizers who had been exploiting them.
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Precisely my point. You simply added a bit more detail to the underlying principle I described — that ideas, and their being embraced by people, is what creates the power wielded by our leaders.

To cite an example from your post above:

” ‘the idea that people are entitled to determine their destinies is where democracy derives its validity’ was a way in which colonized communities legitimized their rebellion against their colonizers who had been exploiting them.”

You simply cited another example of the point I made: the colonised communities used the idea to “legitimise” their rebellion. So the rebellion derived its power (i.e. its legitimacy) from said idea.

Same bannana.

You also cited my take on religion to state that it is “one way in which societies tried to police their ranks as they dealt with hostile environments”. And the act of “policing” requires some degree of power, doesn’t it? And where did this power to police come from? You said it yourself by quoting me that “idea that God shall punish sinners and reward obedience is where religion derives its power”.

Same bannana. Just a bit wordier.

You should be in politics, dude. 😉

http://www.getrealphilippines.com

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 10:04 am

See, Benny Boy, too much MacDo really is no good for those grey cells of yours. I said the context determined the ideas and not the other way around. The ideas would not have worked if the context was not conducive for it to flourish (Hitler would be simply dismissed as a looney had there been no economic crisis plaguing Germany, had World War I not shamed the German elite, and had the communists and socialists began agitating the masa).

Am in politics, my friend. In fact…been into to it for so long now. Need to retire and write that damn novel about illiterate Kanos and hopeless Pinoys.

Keep those calories down, my good friend but keep them ripostes coming. But this time, put in some substance. :)

On another matter, those interested in the idea/myth of a grand American imperialist cum militarist plan for Asia check this interesting link:

http://www.cna.org/documents/FinalReportCNA.pdf

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crd_web

July 22nd, 2005 at 10:13 am

hindi totoo yang mga survey kahit tanong ninyo pa kay Gloria

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benign0

July 22nd, 2005 at 10:16 am

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P.N. Abinales said:

See, Benny Boy, too much MacDo really is no good for those grey cells of yours. I said the context determined the ideas and not the other way around.

The ideas would not have worked if the context was not conducive for it to flourish (Hitler would be simply dismissed as a looney had there been no economic crisis plaguing Germany, had World War I not shamed the German elite, and had the communists and socialists began agitating the masa).
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Whatever the case whether the idea created the context or the context created the idea, the principle still remains the same:

Power is derived from ideas.

Hitler like any other politician or leader or ideas broker benefited from good timing. His ideas took root in a society that was in crisis — just like the idea of an Erap for president took root at a time when Pinoys were looking for an alternative type of politician.

Same bannana.

In either case, it was still the idea that created the power.

You are running around in circles, dude.

Step back and get your bearings back.

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P.N. Abinales said:

Am in politics, my friend. In fact…been into to it for so long now.
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Hmmm. No wonder you think the way you do.

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P.N. Abinales said:

Need to retire and write that damn novel about illiterate Kanos and hopeless Pinoys.
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Typical Pinoy. Talking about something before actually doing it. 😀

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P.N. Abinales said:

Keep those calories down, my good friend but keep them ripostes coming. But this time, put in some substance.
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I think you better direct that piece of advise to our chicharon-eating and beer-happy compatriots. 😉

http://www.getrealphilippines.com

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 10:48 am

O sya, Benny Boy, it appears na hindi talaga tayo mag-budge sa posisyon natin. You prefer living in that Hegelian world where you think ideas govern the universe. Us in this earth, think the other way around. I suggest we move to another topic since it does appear that you will continue munching on your McDo and live your fantasy about ideas as the origin of everything. But this time please, let’s be more concrete historically and politically. Your rhetoric is fine and I surmise you probably were a good debater in high school. Pero, naman, my Kano friend, how about some real stories this time ha? So far kasi wala ka naman ipinakitang malaman na argumento.

By the way, you never did say anything more about how messed up your country is. Oh well….wala tayong magagawa dyan. Tsk, tsk, typical Kano ka talaga — ayaw tanggapin na sabit din yong bayan mo. Keep have fun with those McDo and check out the latest American idol — baka in that show lies your future. Salud :)

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benign0

July 22nd, 2005 at 11:04 am

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P.N. Abinales said,

O sya, Benny Boy, it appears na hindi talaga tayo mag-budge sa posisyon natin. You prefer living in that Hegelian world where you think ideas govern the universe. Us in this earth, think the other way around. I suggest we move to another topic since it does appear that you will continue munching on your McDo and live your fantasy about ideas as the origin of everything. But this time please, let’s be more concrete historically and politically. Your rhetoric is fine and I surmise you probably were a good debater in high school. Pero, naman, my Kano friend, how about some real stories this time ha? So far kasi wala ka naman ipinakitang malaman na argumento.

By the way, you never did say anything more about how messed up your country is. Oh well….wala tayong magagawa dyan. Tsk, tsk, typical Kano ka talaga — ayaw tanggapin na sabit din yong bayan mo. Keep have fun with those McDo and check out the latest American idol — baka in that show lies your future. Salud
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What makes you think I am American?

http://www.getrealphilippines.com

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usda_gradeameat

July 22nd, 2005 at 11:26 am

Sinabi na kasing me contest ng PATAASAN NG IHI E….

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Bullet

July 22nd, 2005 at 11:29 am

To P.N. Abinales & BenignO:
I love reading your exchanging ideas, marami akong napupulot kaya lang wish ko sa tamang thread/blog kayo magdiscussion. Okay mga brod, PEACE tayo lahat para sa bansang Pilipinas!

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 11:34 am

Benny boy, Benny boy…now you’re plunging to an all-time low. Denying even your citizenship to try to extricate yourself from a failure to come up with a good riposte on how your president George is messing up your country. I am disappointed. :(

Tsk, tsk…typical Kano, pag-nasabit eh….

O sya….gotta go. And I am sure the folks in this log-group are probably bored with our jousting. Let’s shift to other matters….if you don’t mind.

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usda_gradeameat

July 22nd, 2005 at 11:42 am

isang tagay para kay P.N. 😀

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benign0

July 22nd, 2005 at 11:43 am

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P.N. Abinales said:

Benny boy, Benny boy…now you’re plunging to an all-time low. Denying even your citizenship to try to extricate yourself from a failure to come up with a good riposte on how your president George is messing up your country. I am disappointed.
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You didn’t answer my question dude.

What makes you think I’m American?

The reason I ask is this: Note how many paragraphs in your posts here are based on this assumption of yours than I am an American.

Is this a habit of yours? To build entire dissertations on an assumption?

And you tell me my posts lack substance.

Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn’t you think?

Tsk tsk.

Mr. Bullet. I think this exchange is quite relevant in any topic considering that we are in the midst of a time where a lot of people are not thinking with the right heads and going of to do things without the benefit of careful deliberation. 😉

My aim is to demonstrate the approach to thinking that most typical Pinoys resort to when in the midst of such crises.

http://www.getrealphilippines.com

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 11:44 am

USDA sagot ko yong isang case ng San Mig Strong Ice….para sa iyo at kay Bullet. Last na talaga ito….

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usda_gradeameat

July 22nd, 2005 at 11:48 am

saglet….asa america “din” ako….Corona ang beer of choice ko dito….mas masarap ba yang strong ice?

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jdv_jr

July 22nd, 2005 at 12:01 pm

It would be a lot easier for us filipinos to convince the rebels (NPA, MILF, ABU SAYAF…) to lay down their arms than for us to convince PGMA to relinquish her perisdency (including the perks she lavish on like pangungurakot, pang-aabuso like what she did to Axa Ramirez, panghuhuthot – aka jueteng and other lagay).

PGMA should have long been ousted, but the problem is there is no clear successor that the masses could conscientiously agree on. Once this person is found, that would be the nail that will seal her coffin.

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 12:15 pm

USDA, San Mig strong ice is what we prefer now as “washing” after Ginebra San Miguel and/or Tanduay. You should try it if you visit Pinas.

On other matters American, does anyone have a copy of Joseph B. Smith’s Portrait of a Cold Warrior handy? If so, where exactly did Smith talk about the CIA in Manila helping in the political aspirations of Diosdado Macapagal?

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Partisanong Lagalag

July 22nd, 2005 at 1:42 pm

P.N. Abinales, to say that benignO is Hegelian is an insult to Hegel. His outlook doesn’t resemble anything Hegelian except that it borders from pseudo-idealism to vulgarized metaphysics. His distorted logic is even worst. benignO is simply experiencing intellectual constipation.

Pasagdi na lang kay tulibagbag ug pangutok.

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 1:56 pm

Partisanong Lagalag, I stand corrected. My apologies. :)

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benign0

July 22nd, 2005 at 2:14 pm

Mr. P.N. Abinales,

If I recall right, the discussion was about the origins/sources of power. Then out of some bizarre twist of logic you make it about how George W. Bush is “making a mess” of the U.S. And on top of that you post paragraph after paragraph of text articulating a whole argument (if you can call it that) that is built on YOUR assumption that I am an American (an assumption that you apparently cannot SUBSTANTIATE even when challenged to do so).

I raised valid views/ideas on what constitutes power — a topic that it seems you cannot further progress (which you then proceed to muddle by making assumptions about my citizenship and bringing up the quality of US governance).

Remember that the original post that spawned this discussion was an observation made by an insightful fellow:

“I enjoyed the company of Filipinos for their humor and the reminiscent qualities I’ve lost touch of. I realized I don’t want the other qualities I associate with my people. I view Filipinos as [de]void of any intellectual enjoyment. I like reading philosophical books that are stimulating, but the people I know and see lack any commitment to any intellectual pursuits. This is not to be patronizing, but there seems to be a limit [to] which some Filipinos apply themselves intellectually. I have yet to encounter one who has taken interest in any cerebral activities, it seems as though they have no inclination towards art, humanities or education in general. As a result, I see Filipinos as irrational and illogical. Any argument on any issue … is either avoided or seen as an attack on their ego. I find a more stimulating conversation with individuals from other ethnic groups.”

Tsk tsk. The way you have conducted yourself is a pretty good cross-section of how the Pinoy mind works.

No surprise that you happen to be a politician by profession, and that Pinoys continue to dance to the sound of politicians’ singing.

😀

http://www.getrealphilippines.com

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Bullet

July 22nd, 2005 at 2:30 pm

P.N. Abinales, thanks! Light SM Beer lang ako, at isang platong sisig. Bow ako syo, mahaba pasensya mo pare.

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Chihiro

July 22nd, 2005 at 2:40 pm

P N Abinales….

Ano ba talaga ang role ng militar sa gulong to? Neutral ba talaga kayo or puro double standards din?

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crd_web

July 22nd, 2005 at 2:53 pm

nawawala yata tayo sa topic, well, tagay pa nga dyan.

Basta hindi totoo yang mga survey na yan kahit tanong ninyo pa kay Bunye, meron siyang tally na hawak.

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 3:14 pm

Benny Boy, Benny Boy, — we’ve moved on. Your demand that we settle the issue of your citizenship is really an insignificant trifle to me as well as to the others. I suggest you stop pushing it as you are sounding more and more shrill. And when people become shrill, they risk not being taken seriously. Tsk, tsk…typical Kano intransigence….

Now on more interesting matters like the Pinoy military — Chihiro, I think it does appear that some of Young Officers Union (YOU) members are planning to plan a coup once more. This means Colonel Greg Catapang and possibly Diosdado Valeroso — is he still active? — will be in the surveillance list of the AFP leadership. The latter, of course, are solidly behind GMA since the fall of Erap, thanks mainly to the patronage she’s extended them (the journalist Glenda Gloria has a small monograph on the rise of military officers hired or transferred to the civilian bureaucracy).

But the YOU officers — who are probably of colonel to brigadier-general ranks now — have not been the gracious recipient of the basbas from dagdag bawas. So there is resentment there. But there appears to be more. Apart from their exclusion from presidential patronage, you have to remember that these are also officers thoroughly disgusted with the corruption at the top as exemplified by the charges against Gen. Garcia. For them it’s the same problem they encountered as young lieutenants during the late Marcos period and under President Aquino. Their men are dying in the field while the likes of Garcia and many others in the top are enjoying their condos at the Fort or Forbes Park. This and presidential favoritism are enough reasons to plot the grand coup attempt again.

Unfortunately, no middle level or junior officer-led coup has ever succeeded in Pinas. The only “coup” — if you call it one — that succeeded was when Gen. Angelo Reyes and the AFP chief of staff withdrew their support from the drunken Erap. But this was not really the kind of military action that YOU would like to do: they’d prefer a coup a la Thailand, Brazil, Indonesia or Singapore. A generals’ “coup” lacks catharsis (can’t be called a revolution), and is almost always diluted by political bargaining and backroom deals.

The other interesting thing is the unusual silence of Gringo and RAM. Bakit kaya? Is it because Gringo’s PMA class of 1971 (the core of RAM) has been tainted with the Garcia corruption case? We will have to await the pundits’ take on all these…but I doubt if YOU could ever mount a successful coup. Not in the near future, at least. Salud.

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 3:16 pm

P.S. After witnessing the bungled coups of 1986, 1987, and then having listened to friends tell about the indiscriminate shooting of the 1989 coups, Chihiro, I’d still stick to the constitutional process to unseat GMA. On that I am in agreement with my American friend Benny Boy.

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benign0

July 22nd, 2005 at 3:18 pm

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P.N. Abinales said,
July 22, 2005 @ 3:14 pm

Benny Boy, Benny Boy, — we’ve moved on. Your demand that we settle the issue of your citizenship is really an insignificant trifle to me as well as to the others. I suggest you stop pushing it as you are sounding more and more shrill. And when people become shrill, they risk not being taken seriously. Tsk, tsk…typical Kano intransigence….
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Suit yourself, dude. Suit yourself.

Looking forward to meet up again on another issue. 😉

http://www.getrealphilippines.com

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Chihiro

July 22nd, 2005 at 3:26 pm

P.N. Abinales,

Thanks for your insights. A very close friend of mine was a member of RAM and had been present in almost all of the failed coups. He has his own reservations about the AFP’s nobility and loev for the country. Trabaho lang, walang personalan.

Re Gringo, I too find it unusual that he is so quiet these days. I have a feeling we might hear from him and Dado and Jake Malajacan (akthough he is with Ping now) soon enough…

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Chihiro

July 22nd, 2005 at 3:27 pm

make that “love” and “although”

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 3:43 pm

Chihiro, thanks for the info. Can I ask what your friend thinks about all these talks about another coup? And does RAM still have that influence among the younger officers? Am curious about how these “veterans” of the 1980s “military adventures” (as Dodong Nemenzo described them in a essay way way back) view such similar attempts — Oakwood included.

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Chihiro

July 22nd, 2005 at 3:58 pm

P N Abinales,

My friend is very jaded now – he is too disappointed in the AFP, although he admits that there are still straight-arrow guyrs that the young ones look up to. Sabi nya there are a few select colonels, and generals who still command respect and awe from the young ones. Ito daw yung mga opisyal na susundan ng sundalo nila kahit saan pa sila magpunta, kahit ano pa ang sabihin nila, because they have lived a life of leadership by example. These are the officers who will be crucial in the near future. Pero ang mas mahalaga daw sa pobreng sundalo ngayon ay ang sweldo nya at kung paano nya bubuhayin ang pamilya nya, like any other working Filipino. Trabaho na lang.

Re the RAM, its influence has waned over the years. My friend thinks mounting a coup is extremely difficult but not impossible.

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Chihiro

July 22nd, 2005 at 4:11 pm

P.N. Abinales,

You made a book review pala on the PMA. Can you email me a snippet of how you found the book you reviewed?

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 4:20 pm

Chihiro, I hope those the ranks of those “straight-arrow guys” older and middle-level would grow. And if there are among them who are thinking of a coup, it may be wise if they go back to what happened to the past coups. When I was still studying the Philippine military way way back, there were two things that kept coming up that partly explain their failure: (a) middle class support; and (b) control of the communications system. In 1986, the middle class stayed pretty much close to Cory (I think in coups and even revolutions, the masa are always marginal) and so the RAM-YOU coups were destined to fail. The other one was logistical: in 1986, Ramos and Enrile managed to keep Marcos and General Ver confused kasi they had the national communications system under control at Camp Crame. This one may not be feasible anymore, thanks to texting and SMS. What do you think?

Has your RAM friend ever thought of writing his memoirs? We desperately need the stories of their generation because any history of martial law and its aftermath will never be complete without their accounts (of course, Alfred W. McCoy’s book on RAM has allowed us a glimpse into RAM’s world, but it says very little about their lives as young lieutenants in the Mindanao war). Salud :)

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agol_78

July 22nd, 2005 at 4:21 pm

joy4gov said,
July 22, 2005 @ 8:19 am

i dont believe in sws survey. dun sa mga nagtutuligsa sa pangulo, wala kayong nagagawang maganda sa bayan, bakit d nyo na lang bigayan ng pagkakataon na ituwid ang pagkakamali nya at magpatuloy na magtulungan sa pag-usad ng ekonomiya. mas lalo nyo lang pinapalala ang crisis ng bansa. pagpalagay na nating nandaya, sa tingin nyo ba ang oposition ay di nandaya??? kaya instead na magbangayan ng magbangayan tulungan na lang natin ang pangulo na paunlarin ang bansa.

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dun sa kumakampi sa pangulo, wala kayong nagawang maganda kondi magpalakpak sa pekeng pangulo. kahit ginagao ka na OK lang sa inyo. i dont believe in survey kng isa lang gumawa eh tatlo na eh maniniwalana ko. ang pagbagsak ng ekonomiya ay ang dahilan ang ang pangulo nyo dahil sa kapalpakan nya. pano naman uunlad eh ang pera ng bayan nasa kanila. sila ang may control.

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d_entrep

July 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm

As i see it they can’t impeach or oust pres.GMA.
because her situation is different from Erap.
her clout,her machinery and her damage control team
are able to control things.they are not in panic mode.
they can easily polish and change the image of Gloria
in whatever fashion they want.well people are also to blame.
i have ask alot of people before 2004 and they told me
they would go for GMA.and not vote for a stupid guy named FPJ
and my friends even told me they would migrate out of this country
if FPJ would win…

Well she is the best and the brightest Pres. the Phils. ever had
she is what she is,Smart,witty fast thinking can able to cope up under
extreme pressure.and can sleep well under grave controversies
she has the best team and the best allies,FVR,JDV,DEFENSOR,BUNYE
TIGLAO,CLAUDIO,PICHAY,the Generals at her command…
the MAYORS and the GOVERNORS and POVERTY on her side
and she is always a step ahead of everything maybe she has read the art of war.

Sa tingin ko mabibigo talaga ang mga Kabataan at ang mga mamayang
Pilipino.Eto yung katotohanan ng buhay.
Di araw araw panalo ang laban di lahat ng pakikibaka.
nagiging tagumpay.Basta sa tingin ko hangang 2010 pa sya
at saka di naman lahat ng tao gusto syang mapalitan
ano nga yung campaign slogan niya at kumita naman sa mga tao di ba..
“the president is still our best hope”GOD BLESS
kaya magtiis tayo til 2010…

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drahcir

July 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm

I think what the YOU did today in coming up with the statement is that they are making their presence felt and that they are watching closely….very very closely of the present situation and maybe preparing to move anytime.

I believe that organizational-wise and logistics-wise, they are now ready since their statement is being signed by the various personnel in the AFP/PNP,hence, we can deduce that their membership now covers all the units including the PSG.

Thus, the government is now very serious of looking into the group and is now taking precaution, one of which is declaring Monday as a special holiday. You may ask, what so special of the President’s SONA this monday that could warrant the suspension of work in all public and private offices? Are they waiting for something to happen or are they preempting the move of this young officers.

But i believe what they did today is a sounding call to all the people especially the lawmakers to do their job, that it is, to keep the impeachment process going. When this will fail or comes to a stalemate, im pretty sure that ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOSE. This will be the time when the YOU and other groups within and outside the military will take matters into their own hands.

Analyzing what’s happening to us now leads me to the point that we are slowly inching our way into TOTAL CHAOS. If this happens, we may see the day of infighting among us, not just trading barbs in the media but in real ARMS. Our republic is still young and we have’nt yet experience a great upheaval similar to the Civil War that America had experience.

Perhaps if we could experince this GREAT UPHEAVAL, this we will realize the folly of our own infighting, corruption and selfishness.

OUR REPUBLIC IS YOUNG AND IT MAY TAKE A GREAT UPHEAVAL TO MATURE.

But I fervently hope that it will not come to this. Pardon me but I feel that we are slowly traversing to this dangerous path.

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gangster_roger

July 22nd, 2005 at 5:01 pm

Why is it that our future depends on the character and whim of the AFP? Is it because they have guns and we dont? Maybe we should have guns too so we determine our future for ourselves.

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drahcir

July 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm

To d_entrep,

Erap’s position before is similar to GMA’s situation now. Remember that ERAP before had also the backing of almost all government officials in practically all the provinces, however, it evaporated when the TRIAL came in. The truth as they claim began to unravel and the perception slowly changed. What keeps the govenment official to GMA side is the prospect of support in terms of IRA and fundings of their local projects. Patronage politics is at its best in the local govenrment, hence the officials are beholden to GMA.

History will be repeated since the trial, if ever we will come to that, will be magnified in the media. The people will follow the proceedings on the daily basis and their negative perception of the President will be magnifiied to a thousand times. Gloria could not counter-attack since doing so will boomerang on her. Remember that Erap at that time, could not counter the accusations hurled against him in the trial. He unfortunately was not given the time to rebut the accusations because of the “second envelope”, hence, he was already convicted in the minds of the public.

That is why GMA is dangling the Truth commission to prevent an impeachment trial. Or she is offering it as a second alternative once they successfully kill the complaint, otherwise a stalemate will ensue if there is no alternative left with the listless public.

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 5:21 pm

Drachir, you are right: YOU wants to be part of the picture (I think the revelation that generals were joining Garci in tampering with the election results may have been the last straw) but I doubt if they still have the logistics and the capability to mount a coup. Remember, after the 1989 coup, what Ramos did was disperse these colonels, captains and majors to as much as possible so they would not be able to coordinate their troop movements. That worked until the Trillanes and Oakwood brouhaha which, at initial glance, suggest that the ability to coordinate troop movements was back. But what was distinct about the Oakwood mutiny was that none of the other units — the Scout Rangers in Nueva Ecija, nor the Marines in Mindanao — joined Trillanes and company. They stayed put — either because they decided to be part of the peanut gallery, but also because Reyes and Arroyo had all the ports and airports sealed by then.

I think the generals can still do the latter now — contain any rebellion by making it difficult to move troops from the provinces to the cities (ah, siyanga pala Chichiro, this was also the one crucial point that helped turn the tide against Marcos in 1986 — Ramos and Enrile were able to convince the regional unit commanders to stay put and not follow General Ver’s orders to send troops to Manila).

The number of signatories does suggest a network that is still working, pero I think what’s more important is to which units are these signatories assigned to or are coming from. Eh, kung logistics department ka lang or mess hall brigade, wala kang magagawa really except vent your anger. You can do some propaganda damage if you are in the AFP intelligence, but you still need warm bodies armed to the teeth to effect an overthrow.

But should ALL HELL…BREAK LOSE, as you put it, it will still be on the onus of the coup plotters to show that they could (a) launch the coup, capture Gloria and neutralize her military supporters; (b) gain the support of the various political forces; and (c) extend their authority and influence to the provinces. I doubt if they can do all of these in one sweep; maybe the first, but I doubt if they could proceed to the second without encountering resistance.

Gangster_Roger is right to be wary about depending on the military. Although I am not sure if citizens have the enough firepower to beat back a coup attempt in its first houts.

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drahcir

July 22nd, 2005 at 5:21 pm

To ganster_roger,

I thought you are familiar in the ways of the gansta…world. He who holds the barrel of the gun…..rules!, right?

Look at Cambodia, the military is in control of the gov’t, what happen to Nigeria, the military is in control. I guess you should check world news and current events to realize the situation.

Our situation now is not a joke, and he who is mighty will rule. Survival of the fittest….man.

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 5:23 pm

Chihiro, I think if you goggle you will find a copy of my book review of McCoy’s book under Journal of Southeast Asian Studies yata — out of Singapore. Sorry almost missed your post.

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drahcir

July 22nd, 2005 at 5:35 pm

P.N. Abinales,

Thanks for your insight man. Yes, its true that its now very diffucult for them to mount a coup, what with the failure of Trillanes group, however, I sensed that these junior officers must have studied and analyzed the situation.

And they aware of the present situation. In fact, one time when i was able to come in contact with some officers in the military (not the YOU i guess) I am amazed of how they are very interested in the situation. Not that they are expressing their views (they presume to be apolitical) but they are analyzing and keeping track with what’s happening. In fact, they are quietly hearing the contents of the tapes in their own private ways and discussing silently amongst themselves.

To say that they will not move, i doubt it. As long as their mistah culture and their idealism is intact (the latter is lost when they are in the upper command and in a better position), they will surely flex their muscle. I am pretty sure that they are just waiting in the wings for the right timing and the timing is very near.

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xanana

July 22nd, 2005 at 5:48 pm

Ahhaa! alam ko na bakit ini-spam ni benign0 ang maraming blogs with his websiste on each of all of his posts… because of money! ( kaya siya na banned sa PEX).

Pagbigyan natin… let’s click 1000 times sa kanyang ” ads” and he’ll make lots of money! :-) Kaya lang baka umiyak, kasi bukas wala na siyang delihensiya.

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gangster_roger

July 22nd, 2005 at 5:55 pm

Our system is designed to ensure the encumbent will stay in power. Its in our Constitution. We have no right to bear arms and organize miltias like the US. We need a permit to rally. We need to file suits to remove a President. And we have no right to walk into any office of the executive branch and ask for a precise accounting. And separation of powers make sure that the congress is powerless to discipline the executive and vice versa.

The opposition wants the whole machinery. I want it destroyed before they get it.

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 5:59 pm

Drahcir, according to Trillanes’ lawyer, Argee Guevara, these guys are devouring a lot of books on the Latin American military. I met one YOU officer in the past and he amazed me by his knowledge of Renato Constantino, Marx, those who wrote about the Latin American military (Samuel Finer) and even the writings of CPP’s Jose Ma. Sison. These folks are often better read than the aktibistas of Bayan and LFS. The only problem they had then was logistics and public support. The latter may still be their problem should they launch a coup today.

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gangster_roger

July 22nd, 2005 at 6:02 pm

Is our economy in good shape? No. I heard Deles in an interview over the radio say that reforms in the customs and BIR was already being having an effect on the economy and that there was a feeling that we were about to “turn our economy around” until Gloria has to defend her Presidency. Of course the interviewer was opposition so she deemphasised the statement.

I wish the hyatt 10 would form their own political party and keep all the other traditional pols out of it. These group really know their stuff. And they know how to solve our economic problems.

I think they can grow to such a size that they can control the majority of the local and national government for generations to come.

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usda_gradeameat

July 22nd, 2005 at 6:06 pm

dito ba pinupulot ang mga sinuka ng PEX? tsk…

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gangster_roger

July 22nd, 2005 at 6:07 pm

Whatever the polls say as long as there is no political group big enough to exploit it nothing will happen. Polls are two edged swords. Look what the polls say before Erap was forced out of Malacanan.

Is the Opposition solid enough to convince people to throw Gloria out? Are they big enough? The united opposition is a myth. And nobody trusts the personalities in the opposition now.

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soledad t. tubay

July 22nd, 2005 at 6:10 pm

It’s pretty obvious that the government ha something up its sleeve for declaring monday a non working holiday, take your pick:
1. para makinig ang bawa’t isa at namnamin ang katotohanan ng mga ipapahayag ng pangulo na nagawa sa loob ng isang taon; upang ipamukha sa ating lahat na kahit ano pa ang gusto nating isipin at gawin, siya ang pangulo at wala kayong paki;
2. para matuwa ang mga estudyante at mga manggagawa at holiday na naman with pay; pero galit ang mga businessmen;
3. para may pgkakataon ang mga maka gloria na makapunta at mikpag rally bilang suporta sa kaniya;
4. para may bumili ng mga ititnda ng mga vendors sa araw ng rally at ng lumaki naman ang kita at bumaba ang unemployment rate;
5. pinakaimportante, upang mailigtas ang lahat sa maaaring kaguluhan na ibubunga ng pag dalo sa rally for or against the president; (parang ang labo nito, paano akong makakaiwas sa gulo kung kailangan ko ring dumalo?) EWAN.

Pero, what is sad is kung anu-ano ang mga dahilan na iniisip natin kung bakit kailangang magpaalam si mrs. arroyo. isa lang ang isyu rito, she cheated! ni hindi para manal, kung hindi para mas mataas ang lamang niya sa kalaban.

Ano pa ba ang mas mabigat na dahilan?

Ibig bang sabihin, kung ang tatay natin o nanay ay gumagawa ng anomalya halimbawa sa customs, at tutal ito’s para sa atin, para pamilya, upang masuportahan ang pangangailangan natin, ok lang? tanggapin na lang natin?

kung matuklasan natin na ang ating nanay ay pumatol sa ibang lalaki para magkaroon ng extra income, para may maipantustos sa pag-aaral natin, ok lang?

ang isang estudyante kung nangodigo upang pumasa sa exam ay patatawarin na lang natin dahil kawawa naman kung bumagsak?

how pathetic.

very basic po ito, a case of the end judtifying the means. yan sa palagay ko ang buod ng pinagtatalunan.

ano pa ang kailangang pagtalunan dito. sayang anglaway, sayaw ang oras, sayang ang kakapirasong utak.

we are indeed a damaged society if many of us, particularly those with mrs. arroyo, believe that we can sacrifice our dignity as a people in the name of an improved economy. kung sa aming bahay, mas masaya ang kumain ng tuyo, kaysa kumain ng hamon at litson na galing sa masama.

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concerned citizen

July 22nd, 2005 at 6:13 pm

pansin ko lang ginagawang chatroom ni benigno & pn itong blog. ok lang at least marami akong natutunan sa inyo. galing nyo mga dudes paramihan ng knowledge. parang debate. basta ba related sa topic ok lang no problem mas marami mas masaya. mga intellectual citizens ng pinas tnx sa mga infos na nashare sa aming mga simpleng tao lang. i doubt kung pinoy si benigno sabi kasi ni pn kano daw. sana maindihan ako. anyway nageenjoy akong basahin mga “articles” nyo. ordinaryong citizen lang ako ng pinas. peace!

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drahcir

July 22nd, 2005 at 6:20 pm

P.N. Abenales,

You said…. “The only problem they had then was logistics and public support. The latter may still be their problem should they launch a coup today.”

The latter is not the problem today because the public is nowe very tired of all the political circus and is now open to anything that “stabilizes” once the “genie is out of the bottle”. I hope you understand my drift.

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gangster_roger

July 22nd, 2005 at 6:20 pm

The situation in Africa is different to ours. These are societies with a major cultural and social breakdown.

I would rather look at the US. They have an armed populace thats why the politicians listen. And nobody wants to experience the civil war all over again.

In our situation its the elite who has all the power. And when we are not happy with our situation nobody does anything about it at all.

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drahcir

July 22nd, 2005 at 6:29 pm

To ganster_roger,

The opposition is united in one common stand: to bring down gloria. That was also the reason why the Leftist groups were in Edsa 2 together with Sin/Cory/Civil society. They were not there to install gloria buy to remove Erap. After they succeed, they separated with their own ways/idealogies.

This is what’s happening now. They are into one purpose: to forced out gloria and what-happen-later-its-up-to-who-knows-what situation. But one thing for sure. What we are in now is an irreversible process. We can no longer stand Gloria. Something must happen and the status quo will not hold out.

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gangster_roger

July 22nd, 2005 at 6:33 pm

A coup must be harsh. A lot of people has to die. A threat to violence must be backed by the capability and willingness to commit violence. In oakwood they pointed the gun at Mrs Arroyo and blinked. They cant pull the trigger and now they are all jokers at the mercy of GMA.

They should have shot at least one reporter on the leg. And they should have all died in Oakwood. and then they will be remembered as heroes not the inmates that nobody seem to hear about.

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gangster_roger

July 22nd, 2005 at 6:37 pm

The only reason why GMA is still in power is the weakness of the opposition. I dont think they have moral ascendancy at all. Its a bad case of the pot calling the kettle black.

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P.N. Abinales

July 22nd, 2005 at 6:37 pm

Drahcir, I agree: popular alienation is indeed much widespread now but I still think whether this will lead to — a least — a silent support for the coup is still quite dicey. It’s still pretty much 50:50…

Logistics is also still a problem, I mean here the ability to move troops and war material from the provinces to Manila (you will need to have access to trucks, planes and boats) while attacking PSG units in Malacanang, loyalist troops in Crame, Bonifacio and Nichols Airbase with the available troops you have in Manila. The last one is also a problem since you will need to penetrate military units and police forces assigned to defend the capital, and move those soldiers and policemen who agreed to support you around in stealth in preparation for the coup. Abu could probably easily spot such troop movements.

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usda_gradeameat

July 22nd, 2005 at 6:49 pm

pwede bang i ban na natin ang “the pot calling the kettle black”…ive seen it here at least 5x…pakiusap lang

MANINDIGAN SA KATOTOHANAN!

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tome cruz

July 22nd, 2005 at 8:37 pm

Parang ang dating ng blog “sabi ko na sa inyo maraming Pinoy na’ang ayaw kay GMA . . .” without any of us doing anything about it.

‘Ika nga ni gangster_roger, kailangan kung magkakaroon man ng coup o people power ulit, kailangan talagang maraming mamatay. Parang yung French, o Russian, o Chinese model. Para naman tumino na ang mga hindot na pulitiko at matakot na ang sinumang nais tumakbo upang “mag-public service by running for office.”

Subukan naman nating ubusin ang mga pulitiko sa isang madugong paraan para naman maayos na

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noelet

July 22nd, 2005 at 9:01 pm

Last night this was the topic, “PASADO BA ANG PANGULO?”, and as Mareng Winnie pointed out hindi ito nabigyan ng malalim na pagtalakay.

Una hindi lamang kaalyado ni GMA ang panelist kundi part of the economic team, be it planning or otherwise. Katunayan nagdala pa sila ng data at iba pang mga listahan ng mga programa ng pangulo. Ibig sabihin handang-handa ang mga itong ipagtanggol si GMA.

Ang ipinantapat ng debate ay si Pen Medina, si running priest at isang opposition congressman.

Sa tingin ko no match ang debate kagabi. Si running priest at si Pen Medina cannot really rebutt on Alex Magno’s detailings. Kasi nga ibang level naglalaro ang dalawa. Tanging si oppositionist congressman lang ang me baon na direct rebuttal sa mga pro-Arroyo.

I guess last night was a bit unfair. Especially if your talking about the economy. I really dont know why the businessman was sitting on the pro-Arroyo side, meaning his observation is not independent or might as well make that businessman just a resource person to make it credible.

Ang tanging resources person lang ay iyong galing sa grupo ng electoral reform movement.

Alam nyo, even if you bring in differnt econmic groups iba-iba ang sasabihin nyan. Kasi economy is all about numbers and forecast. At iyong mga comment na mas maganda ang kalagayan ng economy natin from the time of erap? That’s perception only. Especially if the comments are coming from the pro-Arroyo camp. Of course, they would like us to believe that the economy is in better condition. With so much gains in statistics dba? Pero let us not forget na mukhang GROSS STATISTICS ang pinapakita nila. Meron pa mga budget surplus. That numbers can easily be manipulated. Why are we implementing the EVAT? Essentially because of the ever-growing international debt our country has. And mind you pipol that data is telling us that the bulk of that debt was made by Arroyo’s administration.

Sen. Lacson noted that from 4 trillion before Gloria sits it now became 6 trillion pesos. 2 trillion pesos of national debt? How can a meager 4% increase in GNP justify that?

The real point is Gloria and her Team is pursuing a PR-drive of minor achievements. With datas on their hands like more business have open, more investments. Because if you wana see the overall picture also include those business that close and businesses that have downsized and added to the unployment numbers. That’s the whole picture.

So let us look at that statistic that Arroyo was a better economic president a bit deeper. And let us not be fooled by numbers. Don’t let the government make us see only one side of the economy.

Then again in my own personal view, and like what ka Oca is telling, any president would do the same to better the economy. Even a robot would yield better output statistics. So its improper to compare the economy today from Erap’s time or Ramos’ time. The question is is the president doing enough policy to satisfy NOT only the business needs but more importantly the general economy: that includes the labor sector, education, transportation, peace, justice, etc. These defines the real economic environment and not the GNP growth that any government wants to project.

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pingkian

July 22nd, 2005 at 11:03 pm

Ahhh, I’m hearing Rizal in his conversation with Blumentrit through the pen of PN Abinales. I hope there would be more Bonifacio, Jacinto, Mabini, and del Pillar but I’m wary of Aguinaldo and the illustrados in our midst.

The impeachment of GMA won’t succeed, but I agree that it should be given a chance if only for those who believe in it and to unmasked GMA and her apologist. It would also complement the oust GMA efforts. GMA is a goner. With sustained and massive public pressure and deteriorating economy, soon even the business community won’t be able to take the heat and in the proper time the military will have to come in to depose the Pretender in Malacañang.

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mindanao

July 23rd, 2005 at 4:13 am

LEADERSHIP INTERNATIONAL STANDARD

85-95 Percent Agrees and Follows you — PERFECT LEADERSHIP

75-85 Percent Agrees and Follows you — EFFECTIVE LEADERSHIP

65 – 75 Percent Agrees and Follows you — LEADERSHIP IN ? Question

55-65 Percent Agrees and Follows you — STILL A PERFECT LEADERSHIP
(In Cases half of your flock are dead na)

45-55 Percent Agrees and Follows you –( 45-55 % ay naa-awa lang syo)

GMA LEADERSHIP STANDARD PREDICTIONS

80-90 % Agree and Follow her – ( Hindi ako Tatakbo, Magtulungan Tayo)

70-80% Agree and Follow her – ( Ako ay Tatakbo, para matulungan kayo)

60-70% Agree and Follow her – ( Hello, Hello, Hello… Garci ! )

50-60% Agree and Follow her – ( I am Sorry, its a Lapse in judgement…)

40-50% Agree and Follow her – ( Hindi sila umalis , pinaalis ko sila
Cabinet members)

30-40 % Agree and Follow her – ( Magbuo tayo ng Truth Commision )

20-30 % Agree and Follow her – ( Will Happen upon hearing her SONA )

10-20 % Agree and Follow her – (Sumipot na si Garci at kumanta !!!!
sisipot kaya? )

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P.N. Abinales

July 23rd, 2005 at 5:13 am

Pingkian — thanks for the compliment. I guess it comes with age. I do agree with you though that this may be the time for a “Bonifacio, Jacinto, Mabini, and del Pillar” to arise, the question however is where from. The communists are really not interested in things short of their complete domination of a post-Arroyo regime, the YOU is restless but we’re still unsure as to where it would want to head if and when if overthrows Arroyo, and the Erap-tistas are a joke (Jinggoy in the caretaker council? Ha! ha!). The business elite is divided (the Roxases and the Zobels are now pestering Bill Luz for immediately calling for GMA’s resignation) if not distracted (Maurice Arcache’s tsismis section on Kris Aquino in the murky Mediterranean Sea is read more than Conrad de Quiros’ bombast), while the politicians are counting votes.

It is scary for a man on horseback to take over, but the sentiment of many here is that if this will stop the decline, heck, let’s try it. So my question would be this: if we do prefer the coup, how exactly would it be done? Let’s shift policy-wonking now to real scenario building. :)

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pingkian

July 23rd, 2005 at 8:47 am

Hi, PN Abinales. Where from? I say, in our midst. I am impressed with your exchange of ideas with benigO who have low regard on us Filipinos, who thought of himself to be superior, but in reality, people with superiority complex are themselves insecure. But I have faith in the Filipino. Of course, we have reason to despair, seeing two failed EDSA uprising and hearing the Estrada brothers talk about transition gov’t. But their likes do not represent the entire opposition. We have to contend with them, just like when the trapos, the church, CODE-NGO, and small but critical segment of the military conspired with the NatDems.

The impeachment process is bound to fail. The time for action is now when a peaceful resolution of this conflict is still viable. Otherwise, you will overtaken by events trying to look for suitable alternative for GLORIA. I don’t believe in military junta, but a coup is indubitable, they can’t be fence sitters. They will be with us by force of circumstance. The mechanics of the transition/interim/caretaker government has already been laid out and nobody is promising a rose garden. After which, an election will be held. The issue of leadership and platform of governance should be settled by an election.

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andrei

July 23rd, 2005 at 9:20 am

well, since it is free comment area, i would like to ask some few questions? how many presidents have resigned because of the dirty tactics used by his/her “enemies”? how sure are we, to judge all of them that they are all guilty? how do filipinos like their president to be?
first, our country is already falling, falling and failling as well because we don’t unite with one another to help make it prosper, honestly ( though it hurts) we filipinos are fond of seeing our fellowmen falling, we are fond of seeing other people suffer, why? i don’t know! maybe because it is already our orientation about life, how many EDSA rallies have occured? i think its 5, all of them says they are fighting for the democracy, that they are fighting for a cause, really? are we sure that through those rallies we already won the battles? i think not, it’s because whenever we try to do such things to solve it, we just make things worst? why, because again we like to see other people suffer.
back to our real topic, GMA goes or will not, its all up to her, she’s the president and she’s got the power to do so, ERAP got impeached because he let happened, why? (only he can answer that), lets take a look at SUSAN, she says that she is fighting for her husband, lets say she does, but how sure are we that there are no politicians behind her back? the problem is whenever there is a new president out there trying to do his/her best to make us all prosper, some people, (politicians to be exact) tries to ruin everything, why? its because they want to have the power, the power to manipulate us all, they are not doing their best to unite with each other and come up with a good plan to help make our improve country, instead they are wasting their energies and time in devicing wicked plans to dethrown the one in power. i am not saying that all of them are mean and cruel, i just want to say that there are lots of issues out there, waiting for us to solve it, we don’t need a new issue to hide the old one’s, instead we should take it step by step and solve it one by one, not to add another burden, as they say JUAN dela cruz is having a hard time coping with his problems, why? it’s because instead of facing his problems, he tries to ignore them and run away!
let us all try our best to unite and work as a team, GMA (or who ever president there is) they are acting as leaders, we as members have our tasks and assignments to do to finish the project, if we want to come with a good project, we should all give it our best shot!
anyways in the international scene, it is not the president who is having all the blame, it’s US, filipinos in general!

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tome cruz

July 23rd, 2005 at 10:05 am

Parang VCR.
Imagine it for a moment.
Rewind to a month before the elections.
WE ALL KNEW FPJ WILL WIN.
But we all thought he shouldn’t . . .

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d_entrep

July 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am

to drahcir:

peace bro…i think Erap’s situation is different from GMA
there was no FVR calling for GLORIA to resign.If my history serves me right.In one interview with FVR he was urging ERAP to resign or be ousted he was even saying Mr. President hangang Nov.20 ka na lang
is that appropriate for a former president to ask a president whose mandate is overwhelming be ask to stepped down simply because there is conspiracy and they are up to something and the Filipino people swallowed it.The people were under a mind conditioning.
sabi nga nila pag araw araw mababasa mo sa dyaryo maririnig mo sa mga radyo ang mga kasinungalingan matatanggap mo na iyon eh katotohanan na.Ngayon di naman ganoon kalawak at kalaki ang hate campaign kay GMA kasi ang galit kay GMA ngayon yung mga middle-upper and lower class.kaya walang masyadong pera na umiikot.
at ang church nung kay ERAP they are so criticalwith him ngayon.
the church is supporting GMA.

And at ERAP’s situation he is not in control of the AFP and the Generals
he does not have the full support of the PNP unless of course he has Ping Lacson on his side.In congress he allied with his enemies the likes of Manny Villar,Drilon,Cayetano.etc.he was even open for the Power sharing in the senate.and ERAP is stupid at masyadong nagtitiwala sa tao.GLORIA is smar tshe knows how politics is she doesn’t trust enemies
he will not allied with them either.she has great damage control team
he has the best national security adviser allied with Edurado Ermita.
ERAP took traitors in his cudgels nasaan na ba si Dating National security adviser Alexander Aguirre na FVR man he can shed some light but maybe he was advise to exile.
kay ERAP may CHAVIT SINGSON na pinaniwalaan ng tao mga uto uto.
basta ako never akong naniwala sa kanya.I pity the people that belive in him they are all taken for a ride.and they swallowed it hook,line and sinker.
walang ALEX MAGNO na kumakalaban ngayon sa gobyerno ni GLORIA
ngayon puro neutral ang mga POLITICAL ANALYST.
walang TEDDY CASINO na nagwewelga tuwing SONA.
Noon kay ERAP sobranng bilis ng lason na ginamit ng kalaban kaya
saglit lang OUSTED agad si ERAP..
ngayon walang nanglalason sa mga kabataan di kasi nakikialam ang simbahan sa POLITIKA o sadyang may natitira pa silang suporta kay GLORIA dahil sila ang isa sa nagluklok kasama ng CIVIL SOCIETY kay GMA…

MARAMING PAGKAKAIBA si GMA at si ERAP.
THE REALITY IS GMA IS HERE TO STAY TILL 2010.
UNLESS FVR GIVES HER AN ULTIMATUM LIKE WHAT HE DID IN ERAP
DAYS.GMA I BELIEVE IS STILL THE BEST HOPE FOR THIS CONTRY
WITH ALL THOSE DOCTORATE I BELIEVE THE LESS EDUCATION A LEADER HAS IS ALSO LESS LEADERSHIP HE WILL HAVE.
FVR IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A GOOD LEADER
OR DO WE SETTLE FOR STUPID GUYS LIKE ERAP,NOLI OR FPJ.

OR MAYBE FVR IS STILL THE SAVIOUR OF THIS CONTRY
REMEMBER HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING US IN TIME MAGAZINE
AS ASIA’S NEW TIGER ECONOMY.FVR WILL BE MORE QUALIFIED TO SIT AS
PRIME MINISTER IN CASE WE WENT TO PARLIAMENTARY.

MADAME PRESIDENT GLORIA IS HERE TO STAY TILL 2010.
I THINK THIS IS REALITY SHE CANNOT BE OUSTED
IMPEACHMENT MAYBE BUT THEY DONT HAVE THE NUMBERS
LETS GIVE THE PRESIDENT ANOTHER CHANCE…

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Bensgr8

July 23rd, 2005 at 12:03 pm

Sobra naman atang credit binigay mo kay FVR. From experience, yun panahon ni Erap, kahit 1M project sa gov’t entities, kailangan ng Malacanang approval. Hirap nekosyo nun. Mas malaki ang percentage ng lagay. Tapos anak niya, 500M loan aprub agad ni walang collateral (para sa Miss Saigon play dito sa Pinas). Isa pa lang anak yan. At least si GMA 3 lang ang anak. Si FG Mike, malay ko.

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d_entrep

July 23rd, 2005 at 12:22 pm

Kaya nga mas gusto ko na si GMA.
bakit ngayon din naman ah kahit 1m project governement entities
kailangan meron Malacanang approval,Ngayon nga pag nag apply ka out of the country for work may certification ka na sa CHED pupunta ka
pa ng Malakanyang para mag pa authenticate.kool di ba..
kaya ka naglalagay gusto mo makakuha ng kontrata di ba.
Loan sa anak ni ERAP paano mo nalaman at sinong anak ni Erap yan masama yan baka narinig mo lang sa tabi tabi yan…
kung totoo yan dapat yung anak nya ang kinasuhan ng plunder at di
yung tatay nya.hehehe….
uso talaga yan yung magpakalat ng balita na hindi totoo para mas madaling malason ang tao..

kita mo kay GLORIA walang hate campaign.lahat ng texters dati galit kay ERAP ngayon di lahat ng nag blog ay galit kay GMA…hhehe

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penpenpen88

July 23rd, 2005 at 12:45 pm

In truth pare pareho lang silang magnanakaw lahat. Si FVR-me pea/amari, me PPA, me centennial expo.
Si Erap- me jueteng, Si Gloria- me cheating, me jueteng, me use of government funds, also chumming wid jueteng lords attention mr chavit n mr pineda..atbp.
Akin lang kung talagang seryoso tayong ibago yung trend na yan is lahat sila i trial at if convicted ipakulong.. gloria admitted that the system is bulok di ba?? kaya nga cha-cha sila ng cha-cha eh.. akin lang kahit na anung systema pa yan basta bulok ung taong namamalakad bulok paring systema yan. Now if basehan nyo lang eh yung talino ni gloria kaya give her a chance kayo ng give her a chance. di pa ba sapat sa inyo yung 4 years na naging pangulo natin sya?? me napala ba tayo???
problema nga kasi eh matalino nga sya eh yung talino nya sa pansirili naman nya ginagamit.?? ganun ba yung talinong gusto nyo?? kaming mga middle class ang malaking at stake dito eh.. kami yung ginagatasan ng taxes.. di kami nakikinabang sa mga services.. tapos malalaman mo nalang na mga perang pinaghirapan mo eh iginagastos nlang kung saan saan?? di ba malaking insulto yun?? kung sa corporasyon eh matagal nang nawala yung ceo na yan!!

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verna

July 23rd, 2005 at 1:48 pm

Solita Collas Monsod said (inquirer news service on media and teh lynch mob mentality):
“…I want no part of what has to be called the lynch-mob mentality that has seemed to grip the Philippines, fed by, I am sorry to say, the media, which, more often than I am comfortable with, cannot seem to distinguish between generating news and reporting it. When that happens, a vicious cycle occurs: We generate our own excitement, then we panic because of it, and people get caught up in the hysteria which then results in generating more excitement…

Take for example the June 27 nationwide broadcast where the President apologized for her lapse in judgment. Who was immediately asked to react? Certainly not the man-on-the-street. Tremendous emphasis was given to the opposition’s reactions, starting with the jailed Joseph Estrada, which were predictably unfavorable; and much less emphasis (and I think column-inches or air-time analysis will bear this out) on the reaction of administration stalwarts, which were predictably favorable. Even more unfortunate, the “I am sorry” part of the President’s statement was focused on, practically ignoring the rest.

Let’s just follow one thread in that reaction pattern: Susan Roces on the basis of the President’s statement and her (Ms Arroyo’s) eyes, accused her of stealing the presidency — not once, but twice — and of insincerity. No one bothered to ask what in the Arroyo statement, or for that matter the tapes, could possibly have been the basis of that accusation. But it has caught hold of the public’s imagination. Anecdotal evidence of this phenomenon: My upholsterer in Subic asked me what should happen now that President Arroyo had admitted that she cheated in order to win. Is it any wonder that a very large majority of the population want her to resign or be impeached?

And yet one recalls, the President made no such admission. But the opposition fanned the flames, repeating the accusation that she stole the elections with practically every breath they took. This was duly recorded by the media. And while I may be casting too much blame on a sector to which I belong, there were at most only feeble attempts to bring balance to the reporting.

Couldn’t there have been at least an attempt to determine whether those conversations could have indeed resulted in stealing an election? Because if the attempt had been made, some timing inconsistencies would be revealed. The conversations took place from May 27, after all the Certificates of Canvass (COCs) were already in Congress. With all the security attendant to those COCs, not even a Houdini (much less a Virgilio Garcillano) would have been able to alter them to suit his evil purposes. The “dagdagan, dagdagan” [vote-padding] theory falls apart.

Couldn’t there have been a brief review to remind ourselves of what transpired in the run-up to and the aftermath of the elections? Because if there had been one, the releases of the poll groups Social Weather Stations and Pulse Asia at the time would show that Ms Arroyo had overtaken Fernando Poe Jr. in the polls and as of the week before the elections, the difference between them was statistically significant nationwide. While Metro Manila and Luzon and Mindanao could go either way, the lead in the Visayas was so commanding (57 percent Arroyo, 20 percent Poe) as to ensure her victory. Which is what happened.

Also, Bill Luz of the election watchdog group Namfrel was quoted as saying: “We didn’t see enough electoral anomalies at the national level to have a material effect on the national results”-i.e., of course there was cheating (there always is, and this must be punished), but nobody stole an election.

And a year later, the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), through Archbishop Fernando Capalla, said: “It is the view of the bishops that the results of the elections reflected the will of the Filipino people.” Unfortunately, not much attention was given by the media to this statement….

And finally, amid all the furor over the latest survey results, surely it would not have been too much to report that in one survey (June 28-30), while 18 percent wanted resignation and 20 percent wanted status quo, 26 percent of those surveyed wanted more information. This was totally ignored.

Also ignored is that in the latest Social Weather Stations survey, 62 percent were in favor of a truth commission-which means that whether they wanted resignation or impeachment, they also wanted the facts. (Perhaps their cool heads struggling to overcome their warm hearts? There may be hope yet.)… “

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d_entrep

July 23rd, 2005 at 2:06 pm

still people voted for Gloria.kaya nga cguro 1m lang ang kailangan nyang dayain kasi alam niya may boboto pa sa kanya.
Eh nung kay ERAP lamang ka nang almost 11 milyon na boto
close to landslide win.kaya kahit anong daya ng administrasyon hindi
nanalo si JDV.if all the people in the Phils. did not vote for her
cguro kahit mandaya sya hindi sya mananalo.pero the truth is people still voted for her inspite of the 4 years that you say na wala tayong napala.The filipino mentality is ”ay sayang ang boto ko si GMA na rin lang ang iboboto” kya we deserve this and we bought the campaign slogan “the president is still our best hope”,Ai Ai doing a campaign commercial tanging Ina.we sort of accepted the fact di bale nang si GMA wag lang si FPJ.yun ang mga sentiments ng mga working middle class,because wala raw alam si FPJ.Let GMA finish her term.
if impeachment ok of convited fine if kung hindi let her finish her term.
People still believe in la GLORIA labandera,The Ina ng Bayan and people still voted for her that why she only need 1m to cheat…
and win her way to congres with noted guys Pangilinan and Gonzales.
shes here to stay till 2010.

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penpenpen88

July 23rd, 2005 at 3:10 pm

still people voted for Gloria.kaya nga cguro 1m lang ang kailangan nyang dayain kasi alam niya may boboto pa sa kanya
– I guess we live in distorted view of whats right and wrong in this country eh kaya were in this mess. Yung mga reasons like hey she just needs to cheat by this much kasi lotsa people voted for her din naman pla eh are so distorted in logic and so blatantly stupid na one wonders if gloria created us o we created gloria. Buti pa ata yung mga hakot eh kasi wala talaga silang choice kapit sa patalim ika nga, they just go where the tides leads em. Kung sino pang me pinag aralan yung pa ang nanamantala nga bayan natin. mas mataas ang pinag aralan mas irresponsable at mas distorted ang pagiisip. The notion that there is a grey area in what she did is stupid. Nag cheat sya period.. Now if its ok by you to have a cheating stealin but hey intelligent president then its your right. I for one don’t want that on my consience =)

“ay sayang ang boto ko si GMA na rin lang ang iboboto” kya we deserve this and we bought the campaign slogan “the president is still our best hope”,Ai Ai doing a campaign commercial tanging Ina.we sort of accepted the fact di bale nang si GMA wag lang si FPJ.yun ang mga sentiments ng mga working middle class,because wala raw alam si FPJ

-personally i already gave her 4 years, and for that support of 4 years the GMA presidency brought me sliding sales figures year after year. This year compared to last year was a glaring 30% decrease in sales. Ask anybody who owns a business and they will tell you that. On top of that you have a volatile and decreassing peso value, Power monopolies, Water monopolies, Oil monopolies, price increases, wage increases, VAT, EVAT jueteng this and jueteng that and more. After all of that you then hear that the government wastes money on purchasing electronic counting machines costing billions which they dont use, Putting up placards on existing road systems with the presidents name on it saying this and that which i bet costs millions during the election period, Urging us to swallow the evat hook line and sinker when alam naman niya i monitor lang nya yung expenditures ng government para di mawala yung 30% ng revenue ng government due to corruption. If thats your notion of magaling pa ke FPJ then you have a problem man. This is the true state of the nation. That we have an uncontrolled population sponsored by this administration urging the poor to procreate more when there are means to stave of this rise in population as to not strain our already inadequate fund deficient service institutions. That year by year as our percentage of poor increases our criminality increases. Those poor populace bein exploited by politicians by police are really pretty evident. We just choose not to look at them. As we are not lookin at the sins of gloria now. Di ba kayo naaawa sa mga batang palaboy sa lansangan walang suot wlang kamalaymalay naglalakad pinapabayaan. Manhid na ata tayo sa ganyan. Sa patayan sa rape sa mga katiwalian sa mga magnanakaw. kaya wla tayong imik. Manhid na tayo kaya pababayaan nalang tayo laruin ng mga politico mga pari at iba pa. Manhid

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Leo

July 23rd, 2005 at 5:19 pm

So benign0 is an americano, hasta la vista, ahoy,,, ijo de puta … So you are the American who destroyed the sarsaparilla plantation in Sierra madre mountain during the 2nd world war after securing seedlings and flown it in to US. You are the american theft… and now you are using our sarsaparilla tree, and selling it back to us in forms of soft drinks… coke, etc shit… You are the american who slaughtered our people in Panay island.. Shit, you have no right to discuss internal affairs of Filipinos here. I hope this will be your last post here… How can you make assessment on our political and social environment when you could not understand how the Filipino talk and walk…. I will tell you how many times my neighbor Pepe is going to his comfort room in one day,,, Do you understand that… That’s how deep you should understand the Filipino before you start giving your non-sense comments. We do’nt Americans here. You are not welcome…

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Inday_D_Mighty

July 23rd, 2005 at 9:42 pm

hay naku panay debate kayo diyan, eh nothing is happening naman sa gov’t. natin. andiyan pa rin si GMA at lahat ng mga magnanankaw na she’s protecting. then gusto namang pumasok si FVR sa eksena. nanay ko po!!!! ano na naman ang gagawin ni tabaco sa pinas? baka ipe-prenda na tayo sa mars o sa pluto ba para mas lalo siyang yumaman. in the end, tayo ding mga pinoy ang kawawa. yang mga lintek na nasa malacanyang at nasa gov’t. ang panalo. wawa naman si juan de la cruz….*sigh*

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nimrod

July 23rd, 2005 at 10:48 pm

leo,

as of my last reckoning– i certainly do not agree with benignO suppositions and prescriptions, i have about 90% disagreement rate with his views.

PN on the other hand is, as usual, lucid and bright. UP must have been good to him. I agree with his poli-econ perspectives 90% most of the time. However, I must object to his ‘ pasaring ‘ (or is it taunting?) re Bayan, LFS, to quote: ” some YOU members are well read than the aktibista of …” What is it that these 2 groups require special mention?

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nimrod

July 23rd, 2005 at 11:19 pm

P. S.^

Let us be tolerant of views that does not matches us.

Attn: Young Officers Union (YOU)

PN here attests that books written by Renato Constatino, Marx and JOMA are among your regular fare. Consider seriously of having a broad talks with your counterpart; the MILF, MNLF, CPP/NPA. It is not possible you could reach some form of tactical or strategic alliance since basically …?

Tingin ng ordinaryong tao, kaya ayaw nang sumali sa mga kilos protesta kasi tiyak wala DIN namang pagbabago na MANGYAYARI sa araw-araw na buhay nila kahit sino pa ang pumalit (pumalit should be read as your tradpol).

Magiging malaki ang inyong epekto at kaibahan kapag nagsama-sama kayo, bilang simbulo ng tunay na pagbabagong sistema, para sa mga simpleng tao…

Isantabi ang mga nakaraang hidwaan.

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Salvatore

July 24th, 2005 at 12:41 am

The Man on the Horseback will surely come. YOU all watch out for him. The time is near, the saddle had been put in place and the sword had already been polished.

Will he succeed? As sure as hell he will. Like Napoleon Bonaparte, he will simply pick up the scepter of power lying in the streets.

Will he last long? There are no guarantees. But he will surely last long enough to rid this country of its centuries-old blight: elite trapos and crooked bureaucrats.

I am not a military officer but I will clap in approval when the time comes. I am too tired of politicians like GMA and Mike Defensor giving me the runaround. They must really think I’m an idiot. I am also too tired of surprise-oppositionist politicans like Drilon and Pangilinan giving me their consience-stricken (kuno) reasons. They must really think my memory is all addled up. I’m too tired of leftist groups who are long on ideas but short on practical experience. They must think I don’t know the devil inside them. I’m too tired to having to read opinionated nincompoops like Benign0. He is merely a pervert, for all I care.

Let’s welcome the Man on the Horseback, whenever he comes. Maybe he can work something out.

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YDRG_8691

July 24th, 2005 at 1:03 am

PGMA is giving out 1B to the victims of the pre-need victims? Bakit kukunin sa kaban ng bayan yun? Maraming bata ang wala pa ring desenteng classroom, kulang sa classroom,hindi kumakain ng sapat…Bakit??? Kasi kailangang niyang alagaan ang Middle Class para suportahan sya ulit at wag mag EDSA 3. Bakit hindi niya habulin ang tunay na nang-sabotage nitong mga pre-need plans na ito…palibhasa may abot sa iyo nung election no? kaya sasagipin mo na naman at may utang na loob ka kasi dun…
why do we have to take this out of our national budget…obviously it shouldnt be. o, asan na ang bagong pumalit na secretary of education???? sino nga ba yun?? asan ang depensa mo para sa mga mahihirap…asan ang depensa mo para sa mga batang tunay na nangangailangan nitong 1 Billion na ito…
Hindi ka makapagsalita ano…kasi ano?! baguhan ka palang?? Nakakahiya bang kumontra???? ang gagaling nyong sumipsip sa amo nyo…. palibhasa kumakain kayo ng mahigit sa 3 beses sa isang araw, palibhasa may kama kayong tinutulugan sa gabi, palibhasa di – aircon ang mga kwarto nyo….Si PGMA….alam mo ba na yung pinapakain mo sa mga bisita mo sa Malacanang ay kaya nang pakainin ang isang baranggay sa laki ng ginagastos mo???!!! ang mga taong sinasabi mong mahal mo, namamatay na sa gutom, sa sakit at ikaw…..wow luma na gown daw ng nanay mo ang isusuot mo sa SONA pero sino kamo ang nag-retoke???? couturier ni SHARON STONE????? do you ever know what AUSTERITY means???
si Lupita Kashiwahara….ang image maker mo, na hindi ka na mabuhay ng wala siya sa tabi mo dahil hindi ka na marunong maging authentic….magkano sweldo nun??? Kami din nagpapasweldo nun no???

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Raymond

July 24th, 2005 at 1:15 am

We ought NEVER to rely on polls particularly when there is a clear agenda opponents of PGMA are pursuing. The reality is most Filipinos want PGMA to stay and don’t want anybody else from the opposition to grab power and make things more messy.

Polls, as we all know, can be worded in ways to arrive at a preconceived conclusion. Do you remember the 1948 polls proclaiming Dewey as the president and the several polls in 2000 and 2004 where Gore and Kerry were supposed to be the winners?

Knock if off, guys. These polls are propaganda at its worst.

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watcher

July 24th, 2005 at 7:58 am

What planet are you from Raymond?

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korab

July 24th, 2005 at 9:49 am

tama ka raymond, ang survey sa Pinas ay hindi reliable…kung sino ang nag-commission, sa kanya pabor ang results….so wag na kayong magpapaniwala sa survey…

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nimrod

July 24th, 2005 at 10:47 am

korab,

be realistic once in your life. these surveys were made in response to the obvious—voters and supporters of GMA who were once in awe with her , finally came out of stupor and want her OUT. and FAST.

also this time, these survey entities were not commissioned by the opposition if that is what u r suggesting. SWS and Pulse Asia may be prone to political patronism, that u are granted– but 4 surveys by 4 different groups? TIME/CNN and finally Ibon Foundation arrived at the same conclusion, Gloria MUST GO… If u know your local history, Ibon Foundation is the most credible of all.

however, as i’ve posted earlier these surveys were anti-climatic– thinking people knew it all along. Queries should have been made on what type of protest the people wanted to attract broad support and the political alternatives to be made–this is equally important as common tao are also obviously tired of palit lang ng mukha pero sistema ganuon pa din. People wanted and deserve more.

have a nice weekend.

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brulyo

July 24th, 2005 at 12:53 pm

Vox populi

Raymond Burgos

May katwirang nerbyosin ang Malacañang sa resulta ng mga pinakahuling survey ng Pulse Asia at Ibon Philippines dahil bukod sa lumalaki ang bilang ng mga nananawagang magbitiw sa pwesto si Pangulong Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, dumarami rin ang pumapabor na si Senador Panfilo Lacson ang dapat pumalit kay GMA.

Sa pinakahuling nationwide survey ng Ibon Philippines, nanguna si Lacson (19 percent) sa mga lider na pwedeng pumalit kay GMA at sumusunod lamang si Vice President Noli de Castro na may 16 percent.

Noong survey naman sa Metro Manila ng Pulse Asia mula Hulyo 2-8, runaway winner si Lacson na nagtamo ng 36 na porsyento kumpara sa 15 porsyentong natamo ni De Castro na malayong pangalawa kay Lacson.

Si Lacson din ang nanguna sa Pulse Asia survey noong Hunyo kung saan nakakuha siya ng 29 na porsyentong boto kumpara sa 18 porsyentong nakuha ni De Castro na pumangalawa sa naturang survey.

Kaya hindi nakakapagtaka kung bakit muling pinakawalan ng Malacañang ang kanilang “attack bitch” (babaeng aso sa wikang Ingles) sa katauhan ni Mary “Rosebud” Ong na nagpilit mang-agaw ng eksena sa isinagawang TSONA (True State-of-the-Nation Address) ni Lacson noong nakaraang Biyernes.

Ganito rin ang ginawa ng Malacañang noong 2001 kung saan ginamit din si Rosebud para magpukol ng mga akusasyon ng kidnapping at drug trafficking kay Lacson na hindi naman napatunayan dahil gawa-gawa lang ito ng mga Intelligence Service of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (ISAFP) sa ilalim ng dating hepe nito na si Col. Victor Corpus.

Nagtagumpay noon ang black propaganda ng Palasyo laban kay Lacson dahil bukod sa hindi pa lubusang kilala ng publiko ang dating hepe ng Philippine National Police ay nagkamali rin ang senador sa desisyong manahimik sa pag-aakalang lilipas din ang mga banat sa kanya na walang anumang batayan.

Pero iba ang sitwasyon ngayon at magkakamali ang Malacañang at si Rosebud kung inaakala nilang masisira nilang muli ang magandang pangalan ng senador.

Kaya nga lumalakas na sa survey si Lacson dahil batid ng taumbayan na puro demolition job at black propaganda lang ang ginawa sa kanya noon nina Col. Corpus at Rosebud at sa bandang huli ay lumabas din ang katotohanang walang kinalaman ang dating PNP chief sa mga paratang na kidnapping at drug trafficking.

Naalala rin ng mga mamamayan ang mga kabutihang ginawa ni Lacson sa PNP gaya ng “no take policy” sa jueteng distribution ng 85 porsyento ng C, PNP’s reserve fund sa mga istasyon ng pulisya, ang pagpapaliit ng tiyan ng mga pulis sa 34 inch-waistline at ang pagpapanatili ng disiplina sa pulisya na nagresulta sa pinakamataas na approval rating ng PNP sa kasaysayan nito.

Sariwa rin sa isipan ng mamamayan ang krusada ng senador laban sa “pork barrel” kung saan isinauli niya ang P200-milyon na naka-earmark para sa kanyang pork barrel at ang serye ng kanyang mga exposé sa mga nakaw na yaman ni Jose Pidal.

Nakita rin ng mga Pilipino ang pagiging prinsipyado ni Lacson noong nakaraang presidential elections kung saan bukod tanging siya lamang ang kandidato na mayroong malinaw na plataporma sa pulitika, ekonomiya at kultura.

Kung ang pamamayagpag ni Lacson sa survey ang pagbabatayan, walang duda na siya na ang isinisigaw ng mayorya ng mga Pilipino na pumalit kay GMA kapag tuluyang bumagsak na ito o magbitiw sa puwesto.

At kung magkaka-eleksyon lamang ngayon ay siguradong si Lacson din ang malamang na manalo bilang presidente. Vox populi, vox Dei!

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amungcal

July 25th, 2005 at 2:08 am

ARROYO SHOULD RESIGN BECAUSE SHE CULPABLY OR DELIBERATELY VIOLATED THE CONSTITUTION WHEN SHE CHEATED IN THE ELECTIONS.SHE BETRAYED THE PUBLIC TRUST WHEN AS INCUMBENT PRESIDENT,SHE DID NOT ABIDE BY THE SOVEREIGN CHOICE OF THE VOTERS. SHE COERCED AND BRIBED COMELEC COMMISSIONERS THRU PUBLIC FUNDS FROM PAGCOR AND GSIS.SHE COMMITTED PLUNDER BY USING PUBLIC FUNDS FROM PHILHEALTH,GSIS AND SSS TO FUND HER CAMPAIGN FOR PERSONAL BENEFIT;PUBLIC WORKS FUNDS TO ENRICH HER FAMILY.SHE AND HER FAMILY WAS BRIBED OF JUETENG PAYBACK TO ALLOW ILLEGAL GAMBLING TO PROSPER NATIONALLY.SHE WAS BRIBED 20 MILLION DOLLARS BY PIATCO AND FRAPORT THAT BUILT NAIA TERMINAL 3 BUT SHE EXTORTED AND BETRAYED THESE INVESTORS BY ALLOWING THE EXPROPRIATION OF THE CONTRACT IN FAVOR OF LUCIO TAN ET AL.HER FAMILY HAS AMASSED UNEXPLAINED WEALTH OF ABOUT HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN ESCROW ACCOUNT TO US BANKS THAT MIGHT BE A FUTURE CASE FOR ANTI MONEY LAUNDERING.
THESE IMMORALITIES AND CRIMES OF GMA DOES NOT BEFIT THE OFFICE SHE DESPERATELY HOLDS ON AND THEY CANNOT BE RATIONALIZED BY HER TEN POINT AGENDA IN THE SONA.
HER CRIMES OF PASSION PREVAIL OVER HER CONSCIENCE AND REASON AND TAKE CONTROL OF HER SOUL.AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY VICIOUS!

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brulyo

July 25th, 2005 at 12:38 pm

Alternative scenario
First posted 01:43am (Mla time) July 25, 2005
By Avelino Sebastian Jr.
Inquirer News Service

IF President Macapagal-Arroyo’s disqualification is eventually declared by the
Presidential Electoral Tribunal (PET), should the Vice President succeed?

In Section 8, Article VII of the Constitution, the vice president is entitled
to succession in four instances: when the president dies, suffers permanent
disability, resigns, or is removed from office. Ms Arroyo has made it clear
that she will not resign. But, she can be removed. Ms Arroyo’s removal from
office can be achieved legally in one of two ways: by impeachment, or by the
declaration of her disqualification in an election protest. Section 2, Article
IX of the Constitution expressly declares that the president may only be
removed from office by impeachment. Accordingly, the constitutional succession
of the vice president following the removal of the president presupposes that
the removal of the president is by virtue of impeachment. Constitutional
succession will not take place if Ms Arroyo’s disqualification under Section 68
of the Omnibus Election Code is declared by the PET.

The standing to file and maintain an election protest is limited to the
candidates who obtained the second and third highest number of votes.
Unfortunately, FPJ passed away on Dec. 14, 2004 and the PET has ruled with
finality that his widow cannot take his place as petitioner.

This leaves Sen. Panfilo Lacson as the sole surviving potential protestant.
Lacson has a very limited period of time within which to file an electoral
protest. Under the PET rules, the petition should have been filed within 30
days from Ms Arroyo’s proclamation. However, Lacson may reasonably argue that
the evidence of Ms Arroyo’s disqualification (that is, the “Hello Garci” tape)
became available only on June 27, 2005 when she delivered her famous “I’m
sorry” address to the nation, wherein she admitted to having spoken to a
Comelec official during the 2004 presidential elections. In a number of
previous occasions, the Supreme Court entertained election protests that were
filed way after the statutory deadline. The Court took cognizance of the
protests, saying that the higher interest of the State and public good should
take precedence over procedural infirmities. Accordingly, Lacson has 30 days
from June 27, 2005 (the date Ms Arroyo openly admitted her “lapse in judgment”)
within which to file the electoral protest.

Clearly, the success or failure of Lacson’s electoral protest would depend
heavily on the admissibility of the “Hello Garci” tape as evidence. Allies of
Ms Arroyo are quick to point out that the tape, being the fruit of a poisoned
tree, is inadmissible as evidence. Several arguments, however, can be raised to
refute this proposition.

First, Ms Arroyo has been nebulous in her famous “I’m sorry” address. She
neither confirmed nor denied that the female voice on the “Hello Garci” tape
was hers. Unless she makes a categorical admission, it is not likely that she
would be in a legal position to suppress the presentation of the tape as
evidence, because the constitutional protection of the privacy of conversation
is personal.

Second, by not making a timely admission or denial of the identity of the
female voice in the tape, Ms Arroyo may be held in estoppel. Despite the public
outrage and economic adversities that resulted from the revelation of the tape,
Ms Arroyo opted to remain silent. The circumstances clearly demanded that she
make a categorical admission or denial of her involvement in the taped
conversations. She did not. She had every opportunity to invoke her
constitutional right to privacy. She did not. The law does not extend
protection to those who sleep on their rights. The law presumes, on the
contrary, that one who deliberately fails to invoke a right when the
circumstances clearly demand such invocation, has no right to invoke it in the
first place.

Third, Ms Arroyo may be deemed to have waived her right to the privacy of
communication. The House of Representatives played the tape as part of the
evidence in the congressional investigation on the “Hello Garci” tapes. She did
not even try to suppress the move by invoking the right to privacy. On the
contrary, Press Secretary Ignacio Bunye even presented the tape to the media on
June 6, 2005. By all indications, Ms Arroyo’s actions clearly demonstrate a
waiver of the right to privacy of communication.

Fourth, the constitutional guarantee of privacy of communication is not
absolute. The right succumbs to the exigencies of the highest public interest.
Given that the tapes could shed light to the issue relating to electoral fraud,
Ms Arroyo’s right to privacy must yield to the higher national interest.

Fifth, there is serious doubt if the Anti-Wire Tapping Law is applicable to the
interception of mobile phone conversations. As presently worded, the law makes
specific reference to the tapping of wires and cables. A mobile phone is
wireless, and the transmission is made through radio waves. The United States
Congress, in fact, amended its own law on the matter, after arriving at the
conclusion that the original law did not extend protection to wireless
conversations.

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pong

July 25th, 2005 at 6:48 pm

you should see how jdv stood up and clapped vigorously after gma announced that she’s in favor of having a parliamentary government during today’s sona. why not? it’s the closest chance he’ll get to become ruler of this country, this time as prime minister.
pare-pareho kayo mga power hungry politicians! that’s why actors make good politicians. kasi alam nila pag sikat sila kikita sila and they’ll milk every cent they can out of that popularity. pag laos na laos na.
but then gma is exceptional in that she’ll use every available staying power she has to do just that – stay in power. like a bad actress screwing every producer just to get starring roles. she’s currently screwing every government agency just to stay in power, and create a jose pidal out of every relative she has. sana na lang every “producer” who has x-rated tapes of this bad actress bring it out now and bare every inch of her evil soul.

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d_entrep

July 26th, 2005 at 10:14 am

like it or not shes here and the soap opera will go on till 2010
with the production illegal films,produced by FVR
and directed by JDV,at the Malacanyang studio as the venue
of the soap and our illegal baby Madame GMA,co-stars Ignacio
Bunye,Mike Defensor,and Pichay in the lead roles..
and the contrabidas former Pres.Estrada with his
band of bandits Ping Lacson and the whole Opposition.
and extras like Rosebud,Sandra Cam,the running Priest.
the priest that exposed the jueteng scandals,the generals taking payola
it will be the longest running soap in the Phils. in a span of 10 years
imagine 4 years for which she took stardom,and the producers will
give her another lead role till 2010.

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sagiksikuryente

July 26th, 2005 at 6:00 pm

according to pulse asia, she should go… but as what we’ve seen sa SONA, she’s still very popular! hear them applause? it only shows that even in the house they love her ….they love her to see them go! double purpose, this will shorthen her term, at the same time, they’ve got to take over the parliamentary and share the spoils of the rotten government… that’s logical! crap eats crap!

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