WITH the National Citizens’ Movement for Free Elections (Namfrel) finally submitting a validation report of its 2004 election quick count to the Commission on Elections (Comelec) in January, new media activist Roberto Verzola has come out with his updated analysis on the extent of cheating in the 2004 presidential elections, concluding that key officals of the election watchdog were part of the poll fraud cover-up.

In this latest update, Verzola claimed to have found clear indications that key Namfrel officials engaged in the following:

  • Selective tabulation — GMA (Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo) regions were tallied more completely than FPJ (Fernando Poe Jr.) regions, which biased their tally in favor of GMA and increased her apparent lead over FPJ;
  • Tabulation of spurious returns — Highly questionable reports were included in Namfrel’s Report No. 83 and the Validation Report, which further increased GMA’s apparent lead over FPJ;
  • Withholding of precinct breakdowns — The regional breakdown of the number of precincts tallied was withheld in 71 of their 83 reports, which prevented the public from determining the full extent of the selective tabulation and the inclusion of spurious returns;
  • Misreporting of precinct counts — The number of precincts tallied in the Validation Report was misreported in some areas, which altered completion rates and masked the full extent of the selective tabulation; and
  • Ignoring indications of cheating — Significant discrepancies between their tally and the official one, indicating cheating mostly in favor of GMA, were ignored, which denied the public important information about electoral fraud in the 2004 presidential elections.

“Is this what (Virgilio) Garcillano meant when he made to Arroyo a private boast about Namfrel officials — inadvertently but fortunately recorded for posterity in the “Hello, Garci” tapes — that ‘they are now sympathetic to us’?” asked Verzola.

In September last year, Verzola also released an update to his earlier paper after he obtained from Namfrel a regional breakdown of precincts it tallied in its Report No. 81, and a regional and provincial breakdown of precincts it tallied in its terminal report, Report No. 83.

Verzola said then that an “invisible hand” within Namfrel’s national tabulation center manipulated the results of its tally by:

  • Delaying the canvassing of FPJ areas vis-a-vis GMA areas and then aborting its count
  • Doctoring precinct totals and tally completion percentages
  • Canvassing tampered election returns

Verzola has been nagging Namfrel for the precinct breakdowns since July 2004 when it released its 83rd report. The Comelec had also asked Namfrel for the same breakdown of precincts “by city/municipality, province and region” in compliance with its accreditation requirements as election watchdog.

The precinct breakdowns, Verzola said, are important as useful indicators of the rate of completion and average votes per precinct that help in detecting cheating, manipulation or doctoring of figures. “They also make it possible for third parties to estimate the true results of the elections, if the tally is not completed,” he added.

While acknowledging that wholesale cheating did happen, Namfrel technology chief Gus Lagman questioned Verzola’s motives for picking on Namfrel. “So what’s all that effort about? He’s just after Namfrel’s goat? Shouldn’t he go after the Comelec commissioners instead? After all, it’s they who allowed the cheating to happen. Theirs is the official count.”

Lagman said he even used Verzola’s original paper, which Manuel “Mano” Alcuaz simplified and he reformatted, to present to several audiences a very clear picture of how dagdag-bawas occurred in seven provinces in the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao (ARMM).

“We showed how the “Hello, Garci” tape connected to the dagdag-bawas (operations) in those provinces, proving, albeit with circumstancial evidence, the culpability of the Comelec, through Garcillano,” he said.

But Verzola said the big question to him is why Namfrel kept “deathly quiet” about the election fraud. “When their coordinator in Lanao del Sur went public to expose the official cheating, Namfrel even disowned him. Namfrel volunteers in the field risked their lives and safety to make a truthful tally, only to be ignored by key Namfrel officials when their tally went against the official count.”

Denying Lagman’s accusation that he was singling out the election watchdog, Verzola said he was only drawn by the fact that Namfrel’s count, even if it showed huge discrepancy compared to the official count in some provinces, also showed its own signs of manipulation in favor of Arroyo by making the Namfrel’s final tally appear more consistent with the official tally.

“In effect, those key officials who tried to hide Namfrel’s true results helped to cover up the official cheating,” he claimed.

As a challenge to Namfrel, Verzola urged its officials to release the full breakdown by region (if not, by province) of the precincts it tallied for each of its 83 reports. These data, he said, hold the key to the full extent of the official cheating that happened in 2004. At present, only about a dozen of Namfrel’s submitted reports have such breakdown.

But Verzola isn’t quite optimistic. “I think I know why they would not release this breakdown, it will expose not only the full extent of the official cheating, but also the extent of culpability of some Namfrel officials in helping to cover up the official cheating in 2004.”

Download Verzola’s updated analysis here.

47 Responses to Verzola: Namfrel part of poll fraud coverup;
Namfrel: Go after Comelec, not us

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chekwa

June 19th, 2006 at 6:52 pm

alam na ng buong mundo na nandaya ang unanong impakta sa malacanang. kahit lumabas pa ang kahit anong resulta ng election 2004, paninindigan pa din ng kapit-tukong bruha ang posisyon nya. dami na ginawang paraan para patalsikin and demonyo pero malaki ang lagayan sa military, congressmen at sa mga dapat suhulan kaya hanggang ngayon nakakapit pa din ang paniki ng malacanang.
darating din ang araw na magbabayad ang halimaw at hahabulin din sya ng sarili nyang multo. makakarma din yan…sige magsawa ka sa posisyon mo, sigurado, may lalabas ding hudas sa mga kampon mo…
hwag mag-alala mga kabayan, alam ng buong mundo ang ginagawa nyan, palagay nyo ba may respeto pa sa dwende ang ibang lahi? i doubt, kasi kahit dito sa middle east, basta ang topic eh politics at gobyerno ng bawat bansa, maririnig mo ang iba’t-ibang masasamang comment tungkol sa tyanak. pero malakas ang conviction ko na matatapos din ang krisis na kinakaharap natin, mapapalis din ang tinik sa buhay nating lahat. crime does not pay.
GOD SAVE THE PHILIPPINES!

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gwaping

June 19th, 2006 at 7:01 pm

Sorry for you checkwa, ‘am not worried and I don’t feel ‘am in crisis and I don’t have torn in my life. Tsk, tsk, tsk….move on!

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lutongmakaw

June 19th, 2006 at 8:23 pm

There’s no need to feel sorry about gwaping. If you feel confortable with what’s happenning in our country, so be it. But there are those who wants to express their sentiment because it is what they believe to be the truth. It so happen that I am one with them and yet I don’t mind you having your own perception in the direction of our country today. If it turns out that you are correct in your conviction that the best solution to our country today is to move on and let GMA rule us inspite of what she had done; its up to you, we are a free country. But if what you wish for did not happen as the way you wanted it to be under GMA, then you can have your regret later.

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ocayvalle

June 19th, 2006 at 8:28 pm

i like your comment checkwa!!! it has substance..yes!! even here in US especially among filipino communities..sooner or later she will be booted out..our only wish that all her evil minions and groups like.defensor,ermita,bunye,the two gonzales.Jdv,nograles,pichay and all other will be put to where they belong..
J A I L !! to show the world that in our country the philippines..crime does not pay!!

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chekwa

June 19th, 2006 at 9:25 pm

kanya-kanya tayo ng posisyon sa usaping ito gwaping, nirerespeto ko ang opinyon mo, kung kampante ka sa pananaw mo…maburuk! (arabic po ito sa congratulations).
ito ang mga sentiments ko, kaya nga may blog ang pcij para sa iba’t-ibang opinyon ng bawat isa.
i’m not talking in general pero ito ang nararamdaman ko, lumabas na ang katotohana, may mga ebidensya na, may mga testigo, may mga gumagawa ng paraan para isulong kung ano ang nararapat pero ang problema, madami pa ding kabayan natin ang nagbubulag-bulagan, nabibingi-bingihan at nagpipipi-pipihan. pero ganon pa man, may tiwala ako sa Pilipino, naniniwala ako sa kanilang kakayahan, sa abilidad at sa lakas ng paniniwala na walang imposible sa buhay kung magagawa nating ilagay sa puso’t isipan na kaya natin to.
bakit ba gustong-gusto dito sa middle east ang mga Filipino Engineers, kasi masipag, may sariling talino at may dedikasyon sa trabaho. ang mga sekretarya ng mga kumpanya dito halos lahat Filipina, bakit, kasi may malasakit sa kumpanya, kahit di nila trabaho, basta libre ang oras, di ganong abala, manghihiram ng trabaho ng iba at gagawin…at madami pang iba…anong point? tiwala ako na meron pa ding batas ang Pilipinas, magsama-sama lang tayo, maging tapat sa bayan at magmalasakit sa ating bansa…kaya natin, babangon tayo sa paghihirap na ito. mawawala din ang mga gloria, ermita, bunye, defensor, nograles, gonzales, de venecia, pichay, garcillano at madami pang iba. empower natin ang sarili natin…
there are always exemption to the rule di ba? kahit gano kasama ang mga taong yan, may magbabalik loob sa kanila, laging may ipa ang bigas…kahit gano kahirap hanapin, makikita mo pa din.
GOD BLESS THE PHILIPPINES!

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ocayvalle

June 19th, 2006 at 10:48 pm

that`s a bulls eye chekwa!! you really heat the target..whatever happens the philippines is philippines..and we still have the goverment..yan ang totoo!! maski paano mo pigilan..GMA and her evil group,will soon be a history! my only hope..sana maparusaan sila ng huwag ng pamarisan pa..

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Ambuot Saimo

June 19th, 2006 at 11:43 pm

Sa ibababaw ng mundo, may mga taong likas na mapagsawalangkibo. Niyuyrakan na ang dangal ay hindi pa rin kumikibo; tinutorotot na ng asawa wala pa rin kibo; tinatadyakan, sinisipa, lilulura-an, minumura, sinasampal wala pa rin kibo. Sa ganang akin, ang ganitong klaseng tao ay hindi mo masasabing mabait. Bagkus siya ay isang DUWAG!! TANGA!!! MANHID!!! Walang pakiramdam!!!
Incidentally, we have so many Filipinos of this bred and as I have said before, (somewhere in this blog) this is the reason why it took the Filipinos more than three hundred years to finally make a stand against the few hundreds Spaniards occupying the Philippine Archipelago.
Sa ngayon, isang Tiyanak ang sumala-ula sa lahing Pilipino, ngiting-aso at harapang niluluray at nuyuyurakan ang ating dangal bilang Pilipino ngunit marami sa atin ang wala pa rin kibo. Ano ang tawag sa nga ‘yan?

Chekwa,
Sa palagay ko tama ang iyong sapantaha -she cannot satistfy all those leeches around her and someday one of them will betray her. But the question is, do we have to wait until that Hudas kisses Tiyanak?

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mindanaw

June 20th, 2006 at 12:03 am

Mabuti naman at maayos ang usapan dito.

Whether Versola’s views are true or not, NAMFREL has the burden of proving it to the people that it is really an election “watchdog”. Why should Lagman pass the buck to the COMELEC? Why don’t he answer the question/points raised by Versola especially the indicators in bullet form?

If indeed NAMFREL was silent about the fraud or at least the indicators of fraud including the discrepancies, then this citizen’s election wathcdog is no longer a
watchdog.

Pardon, but this really reminds me of our old dog way back in the 90s. Whenever he is full (esp. after lunch) he falls into a deep sleep and wakes up again ONLY when hungry.

No, I am not insinuating that NAMFREL is into something fishy, I’m just at this point trying to ask a couple of questions. Why the silence about the fraud? Maybe there was no fraud at all?

If so, I think NAMFREL has to educate the people, contest Versola’s claim and prove it’s worth, like, once and for all —release the complete precinct breakdowns as asked.

NAMFREL owes it to the people big time to clear its name; Filipinos used to trust NAMFREL, wahhapend? By the way, at this time, what is NAMFREL’s goat, as floated by Lagman in his response?

ON THE COMMENTS:

I have always believed, since the President apologized for the wrongdoing, that we deserve someone better. That we really need a leader who is also a model and good example. Maybe difficult, but we need our leader to be clean and untained. For failing to prove her innocence, via due process of law and fair presentation of evidence and counter-evidence (defense); the President has failed the peple.

BUT I THINK th problems our country face in these trying times is not only due to a leader who have failed to win peoples’ trust and confidence. Not only because likewise she has failed to lead the people to rally behind her because of some levels of distrust.

The problems are also because of other complacent Filipinos who allowed evil things to happen in front of them. My point is, don’t just point to the President. She might have really done some of those things she is accused of.But she could have not done that without hundreds, thousands if not millions of people who allowed her to do that!

The culprit could be MalacaƱang’s resident, but anyone, maybe me, you and many others could be accomplices.

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naykika

June 20th, 2006 at 12:25 am

The most effetive Election watchdog, as to my perspective is the citizenry itself. Any NGOs such as namfrel or even the one proposed by mr. Verzola would eventually be subjected to influence in the long run. They will be run by poersonalities that are subject to frailties and temptations that is the usual give and take in the “political game”. We only have one agency that enforce all election laws and the watchdogs are the Media, the citizens and the political parties themselves. So far there are not much to watch except the results, a good hour after the polls closed.

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Cecile Impens

June 20th, 2006 at 4:00 am

Tama ka nga Naykika! The citizen itself is the most effective watchdog! But, until “where and when” should the “guardings” of the ballot boxes be considered reasonable; to assure us that there would be no more manipulations and cheatings of the electoral returns?
Not until the countings/tallies of ballots be aired/viewed on televisions nationwide under the scrutinous eyes of millions of viewers, election results provided only by Namfrel and Comelec should not be fully relied on, sigh. These agencies were the real cheaters; the reason why we have Arroyo in power!

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john4nature

June 20th, 2006 at 6:25 am

Historically, Malaki ang role ng Namfrel sa pampulitkang kaayusan ng Pilipinas.

Sa buong kaayusan ng pambansang politica; siguro sila na ang may technical na kakayahan na ibulgar ang maling pamamaraan ng ating electoral process.

What is most discouraging is if cheatings has been discovered and they apparent covered it up. yung ang mali sa aking palagay. For NAMPREL to be given the full trust by the people to watch our electoral undertaking. it is expected that they should also be accountable in making it clean. We have lot of responsible and respectable people in Namprel and I believed di nila hahayaan madumihan ang kanilang Pangnalan dito.

Simple lang ang gusto kong imungkahi. (ituwid yung list of voters). Dito tayo magsimula. eto ay isang simple program to clear our voters list .

Magtalaga ng isang respetadong grupo upang na gumawa ng isang pag-aaral sa inyong barangay o community. Sabihin natin school project or NGo project. Street organization project. Rotary, YMCA, knight of Columbus, NGO, Parish youth organization o Kaya SK. I-project kaya eto ng Namfrel.

Kung meron kang tax MAP, eto ay makukuha sa Real property section ng munisipyo or city. Dito naka map-out at naka divide ang mga lote sa barangay, Sa bawat kalye lagyan ng color code for apartment, Single house, vacant lot, building tapos lagyan ng corresponding house number.

With a voting list on hand malalaman mo kung padded ang voters list mo. Example, sa vacant lot may botante, sa isang bahay may 40 registrants. better yet kung di nila kilala yung registrants sa address nila.

o kaya gumawa simpleng mapa ng kale “street map”. Makikita mo kung eto ba ay Bahay, Apartment, Vacant lot, building. Sa iyong map lagyan ng house number with color coded identification. Sa isang kalye magugulat ka kung paano nagkaroon ng on hundred voters kung meron lang say 30 houses.

Let the Namfrel, pccrv for example do the filing of proceedings to remove those flying voters,

sa project na eto, ipa-check eto, sa inyong Organization Head, President o Chairman. Kung eto ay inyong school project, let it be signed by your social study teacher or adviser.

Better yet let PCIJ check on this undertaking “OPLAN: _____________ PCIJ”

ALL WE NEED IS POLITICAL WILL TO CHANGE THIS SYSTEM. “Dito dapat simulan”

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Toro

June 20th, 2006 at 8:29 am

Alam mo Chekwa hindi kita masisisi sa sinabi mong pandaraya na nagawa ng kasalukuyang pamahalaan. Ang akin lang, kung magpaparatang ka tulad ng sinabi mo idamay mo na rin ang lahat ng mga nakaraang pamahalaan, mula sa Pangulo hanggang sa Barangay. Nasabi ko ito sapagkat may dayaan na nuong una pa at ako’y nabahala nuon pa kung kaya’t teen-ager pa ako sumapi ako sa Namfrel nuong itatag ito in the early ’60s sa pamumuno ni Atty. Fernandina Balboa na dating taga Central Bank sa dahilang sukdulan na ang dayaan sa eleksyon. I am a card-bearing member of Namfrel of the Camera Club group which took pictures of anomalies in various precincts, and still have the card to prove it, although I have left Namfrel a long time ago because of work and family responsibility. My point is, kung nababahala ka sa mga nangyayari do something about it instead of crying out loud about it. You ask God to save the Philippines but God expects all of us concerned citizens to do something more other than complaining. I still have faith in Namfrel and believe in what it is doing. You can help do its job well.

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gwaping

June 20th, 2006 at 1:33 pm

Chekwa, read again your 1st post, revisit it and tell us if you are not generalizing as you claimed in your 2nd post.

If you are sincere in respecting others’ opinion, be more specific in your claims.

However, when you mention specific matters to invoke GOOD DEEDS, do not single out someone who is no different from others. Look what Toro is pointing out, that is true. When you condemn BAD DEEDS, comdemn them ALL! This is exactly is the problem today, those PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE FOREFRONT IN PUTTING DOWN GLORIA ARE ALSO CORRUPT, EVEN MORE CORRUPT! Those people who tolerated CORRUPTIONS in the previous administrations are hypocrites, pare-pareho lang sila.

Now going back to NAMFREL matters, Verzola’s claims to me are just his biased perception. Just imagine this, how many people would be involved in those activities he mentioned. Can it be done by 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 persons in NAMFREL? I don’t think so! Surely it will involve good number of volunteers from the lowest rank to the highest to manipulate, there would be HUGE MANIPULATIONS involving volunteers accross their organization. At kung tutuo yun, KAHIT NA ISANG volunteer na involve dun ay hindi SISIGAW? O ANG IBIG BANG SABIHIN NI VERZOLA, LAHAT NG VOLUNTEERS SA NAMFREL AY CORRUPT, MAAWA KA NAMAN SA MGA VOLUNTEERS, BIGYAN NYO NAMAN SILA NG DIGNIDAD. DEFINITELY ANG MGA ALLEGATIONS NI VERZOLA KUNG NANGYARI NGA AY HINDI KAYANG GAWIN LANG NG MGA NAMFREL OFFICIALS BECAUSE IT WILL INVOLVE ACTIVITIES OF ALL THE RANKS!

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gwaping

June 20th, 2006 at 1:35 pm

Thanks lutongmakaw, but I don’t think I will regret later.

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gwaping

June 20th, 2006 at 1:38 pm

Pahabol, to those who believed Verzola, maybe you can try to get Bil Luz to support Verzola’s claims! Pwede di ba?

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chekwa

June 20th, 2006 at 2:32 pm

gwaping, sa unang post ko, sa first sentence, fact yon, yung mga sumunod opinyon ko na lang so i don’t think i’m generalizing. nasa bumabasa naman yon at umiintindi.
to toro, pasensya ka na kasi di pa ako masyadong aware sa mga nagdaang pamahalaan maliban na lang sa mga nababasa ko ngayon at sa mga itinuro sa eskwelahan. kung nagkataon lang na andyan ako sa pilipinas sa mga panahong ito at ganito na ang kaalaman ko sa nangyayari sa ating gobyerno, sigruro ako ang nag-iisang taong nagpapahayag ng aking saloobin na hindi nadidiktahan ng kahit anong samahan at organisasyon. pero sa aking munting paraan, may mga kumakalat sa emails na petition at isa ako sa madami na pumimirma sa lahat ng ito. parte ng aking remittance ang magbigay sa mga NGO’s ng donasyon para sa ibang kapus-palad. ngunit gustuhin ko mang tumulong sa ating gobyerno, wala akong magagawa. gusto kong maging kasapi ng NAMFREL ng sa ganon eh may maiambag ako sa maayos na eleksyon pero isang beses pa lang ako nakaboto. Si Roco ang ibinoto ko nung 1998 kasi noon pa lang ako pwedeng bumoto.
Sana isa din kayo sa hindi lang puro salita, nagbibigay ng idea at nagsusulat sa blog, sana sa munti nyo ding paraan, kumikilos kayo. ang tatalino ng mga nagboblog dito, lahat alam ang nangyayari at nagbibigay ng kung anu-anong solusyon, naisakatuparan nyo na ba yon? saloobin ko to, sinasabi ko kasi ito ang nararamdaman ko, batu-bato sa langit ang tamaan hwag magagalit.
kagaya ni versola, good thing he came out pero di ba parang huli na, baga na lang ang natira sa apoy na nilikha last year…sana madaming sumuporta at ng sa ganon, magliyab ulit at maging sunog at tumupok sa masasamang elemento ang baga na ito.
GOD SAVE THE PHILIPPINES!

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joselu

June 20th, 2006 at 2:42 pm

Chekaw,yes it’s true GOD SAVE THE PHILLIPINES also from people who make conclussions based on their personal fillings.
I think the deep dislike for PGMA has deeper roots then just the last elections.
I think there where some who resented the maner she came into power w/c also gave her an advantage to be able to run.
It’s really a penchant of pinoys to wanna elect the president.
It seems the entire world that chekaw is talking about is more of his limited world.
I think that once an argument is spoken out by using insulting descriptions it also waters downs ones opinion to a very personal level that disreguards objective reasoning.
It’s not about simply saying kanya kanya on how we judge a matter.
because a person w/ more hate will certainly judege things differently from someone who listen to reason.
The kanya kanya mentality is a perfect explanation why we don’t seem to get out of this rut.
We seem to value more what we fill as an individual then what reason can clarify.
Weakness is about taking a hard-line position & using all sorts of illogical ways or foul language to transmit a filling but ceratinly not anything near to the truth.

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gwaping

June 20th, 2006 at 3:15 pm

Chekwa, your first sentence in your 1st post is just an opinion too.

Yes, I am doing small ways that I can to help the country. 1st, paying taxes in all my economic activities.

Si Verzola, madali naman sanang suportahan ang claims niya kaya lang dapat may certainty at specific, hindi lang dapat PROBABILITIES. Halimbawa, lahat ba ng TABULATORS na assigned sa regions na malakas si FPJ ay nandaya? Palagay mo sa conviction ng mga volunteers walang kahit isa na hindi papayag kung inutusan man sila ng mga NAMFREL officials?

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Manuel L. Quezon III: The Daily Dose » Blog Archive » Three charges

June 20th, 2006 at 3:17 pm

[...] In the blogosphere, the PCIJ blog focuses on allegations that some official of the National Movement for Free Elections might have been accomplices in electoral fraud. Istambay sa Mindanao wants clearer answers from the officials. [...]

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gwaping

June 20th, 2006 at 3:24 pm

ocayvalle, history will tell if GMA and her group is evil.

ambuotsaimo, BANTAYAN MO ASAWA MO :-)

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chekwa

June 20th, 2006 at 3:47 pm

gwaping, di man sila papayag madaya, aware ba sila na may nandadaya? kasi may mga lumalabas na nga at tumutulong masolve ang malaking gulo na nilikha ng election 2004, eh madami pa din sa atin ang pessimist at walang tiwala.
puro reklamo at daing na masama ang gobyerno pero kapag may nagsasalita laban dito, di man lang makitaan ng suporta.
GOD SAVE THE PHILIPPINES!

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joselu

June 20th, 2006 at 4:01 pm

gwaping, sometimes it’s just a waste of time to try to reason or prove things to others.you see, sometimes conclussion are not a result of logical thinking.but conclussion come from perceptions.
does it really matter what surveys & statistics where showing before & during the elactions presented by different respectable bradcast groups.nobody was complaining then.but does it really matter?
does it matter that by Lacson going his way weakened fpj number of votes?
does it matter what effect fpj’s bad press & not wanting to appear in any debate affect his votes.
votes that could have gone to fpj also went to the other candidates.
i remember watching on tv that fpj did not even have enough watchers..
my position ever since was that the scandal had nothing to do w/ election cheating but simply to divide the country for other people to make use of the confussion in a power grab.
the max. effect of the scandal was never achived. because the scandal smelled of a partisan operation to grab power.
insted of leaveing in the past that is so confused & garbled. the wiser thing to do is to look forward & think of ways of making the system credible.
the brutal reality of life is that there will be always those who will chose to beleave in what ever pleases them.no reason or logic will ever be enough.because one is dealing w/ fillings & perceptions.

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gwaping

June 20th, 2006 at 4:06 pm

Chekwa, good that you agree that they won’t allow cheating. Read the 1st four bullets of Verzola, it’s the TABULATORS and low ranking volunteers that are in hot the seat (poor volunteers).

Unfortunately those people who are coming out and pretending to help solve the problems are biased that’s why you can’t fault many for being pessimist at walang tiwala.

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Jon Mariano

June 20th, 2006 at 5:16 pm

Re:#13 Verzola’s claims to me are just his biased perception. Just imagine this, how many people would be involved in those activities he mentioned?

Gwaping, kailangan mo naman sigurong laliman ang iyong argumento. Medyo mababaw yata.

e.g. Bullet #1 – Witholding of Precinct Breakdown. The tabulators did their job. Pero kung sino man ang nag-re-release ng report ay hindi ibinigay ang breakdown. Ibig sabihin, hindi kinakailangang maraming tao ang gagawa noon. Ibig sabihin pa, posibleng(high probability) totoo ang sinasabi ni Verzola.

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gwaping

June 20th, 2006 at 6:02 pm

Jon, bullet #1 is about SELECTIVE TABULATION. It is not about the releasing of report, it is the PROCESS of information registration in the system.

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joselu

June 20th, 2006 at 7:42 pm

I remember during the election GMA’s group was very well organized, like having inspectors & watchers to protect her votes.
Something that FPJ’s group did not have due to their lack of funds, organization & squabbling among them.
It’s the perpetual story of the opposition.They where so disorganized & divided then just as they continue to be now.
They thought they can win through a carismatic candidate.
The oppurtunist opposition though they can use FPJ, buti na lang he did not leave long enough to be further exploited.

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Ambuot Saimo

June 20th, 2006 at 10:10 pm

See? May re-action. Gwaping is not that kind of a nonchalant person. Incidentallly, Gwaping ‘ala akong asawang babantayan. But don’t worry, Gwaping (little guapo, I suppose) ka naman so hindi ka marahil “kakananin” ng isme mo. (hay… ambot saiyong tanan… bakit napunta doon ang usapan? tuloy para tayong mga tsimosa dito)

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Jon Mariano

June 20th, 2006 at 10:29 pm

Yes, it should be bullet number 3, but that’s not the point is it? I chose that point out that what Verzola is saying is quite possible. If you want to discredit it, you need to be more specific than that.

I agree with the above comment that instead of passing on the blame, NAMFREL should answer the allegations headon. Discerning citizens will see who’s telling the truth.

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gwaping

June 21st, 2006 at 11:36 am

Jon, unfortunately you can’t allege base on possibilities, it must be CERTAIN because the matter is not ordinary.

Look at the situation, granting there is manipulation, don’t you think Bill Luz would not have knowledge of that? Don’t you think that during the resign call by MBC last year that issue can’t be exploited easily, there’s none sir! Bill Luz still stick to integrity of NAMFREL activities despite of his position to call for GMA’s resignation!

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Jon Mariano

June 21st, 2006 at 12:22 pm

Gwaping, Mr. Verzola’s claims are based on his studies, on the documents he have personally seen, on numbers he have personally analyzed. So it’s improper for us who haven’t seen them to just say it’s not possible.

The argument that Mr. Luz should have known if there were some hanky-panky, and that he should have cried foul is off-tangent. It does not answer the allegations.

To me, your argument is just the opposite of my argument. You say it’s not possible, I say it’s possible (the allegations of Verzola). But since you yourself said that the situation is not ordinary, we should therefore not just drop it. The reason being, it might be done again in the future.

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gwaping

June 21st, 2006 at 12:39 pm

No Jon, you don’t allege on possibilities only, there must be CERTAINTY, otherwise there’ll be no order anymore. And when you tolerate that IT MIGHT BE DONE AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.

Bill Luz is one of the highest official of NAMFREL, he is an officer of MBC as well, he should know what Verzola is saying.

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gwaping

June 21st, 2006 at 12:53 pm

Yeah Alecks, that is my point! Conspiracy AMONG NAMFREL VOLUNTEERS, OFFICIALS OR OTHERWISE? I believe in the integrity of the VOLUNTEERS. I doubt the possibility of CONSPIRACY, kahit isa sa kanila na nakakaalam KUNG MERON NGANG CONSPIRACY would not go public? I doubt!

And my second point, on the matter of POSSIBILITY, when it is not CERTAIN nakakagulo lang. Posibleng tama siya, posibleng hindi rin, what’s the point? Siguraduhin muna niyang TAMA siya, then go public. Don’t go public AND SHOUT…. POSSIBILITIES!

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joselu

June 21st, 2006 at 1:15 pm

Yes, I agree w/ gwaping.
I think first & formost we have to be fair.
Going public on mere POSIBILITIES does not mean anything.
Because POSSIBILITIES are infinite & inconclussive anyway.
Perhaps, it’s time to add in our educational curiculum a subject that has to do we FACTS.
Because, we seem to bit around the bush endlessly & never seem to conclude on anything just because we have the penchant of wanting to use CONSPIRACY when the truth is that we are just imagining things.
Or we want to use the word POSSIBILITIES when in reality our minds are made up even w/o undisputable facts in our hands.
Just like there is the POSSIBILITY of CONSPIRACY there is also the POSSIBILITY that charcters pushing this extremly incomplete allegations are just witchunting for anything.
Talk is chip & allegations in this country go a dime a dozen.
Why is the outspoken Bill Luz so silent on this issues?
Is it because he can’t talk since his supposed to be anti-administration?
It seems we have the penchant to say just anything & conclude just anything even when our facts are incomplete or we are just playing a partisan game.
As if w/ the excuse of freedom of whatever we always have to say anything.

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Jon Mariano

June 21st, 2006 at 2:12 pm

Gwaping, Mr. Verzola is standing by his findings. It was proven to him by his study and analysis. He’s got documents, numbers, and personal interaction with people (NAMFREL people included).

I say that his findings are POSSIBLE, they can happen.
You say it can never happen? That’s your opinion. Using your own “rule” that one has to be certain before crying out loud, then you have Mr. Verzola who is certain that his findings are correct.

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joselu

June 21st, 2006 at 2:57 pm

If Versola really has documents & is so sure of his finding, then why does he not file a case against NAMFREL?
Why does he have to use the media to float his ideas/perceptions?
Is it because his trying to influence public opinion?
If one is certain he can win a case then one goes to court.
But if one is on a fishing expedition, then go to media.
Possibilities are infinite.
Unless, since the judgment is already made before the facts.

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Jon Mariano

June 21st, 2006 at 3:41 pm

It would be indeed good to know what is in Mr. Verzola’s mind and heart. But then again, it’s beside the point.

Personally I would like to know if he’s right or wrong. If he’s right, then safeguards should be made so that guilty parties are punished and the same things are not done again.

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joselu

June 21st, 2006 at 4:20 pm

Jon, the only way is if & when he bring the documents to court once & for all.
Because I think by floating the things he beleaves in to be true in media is an injustice to the people.because nothing will ever get resolved.It will only add futher doubts & confussion.All Versola will ever do is show certain people that his supposed to be smart.But the issue will never be resolved.Not because it can’t be but because in reality his so called “possibilities,theories & grandstanding, grand conspiracies will not even sell a book & neither will it survive the court process.

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gwaping

June 21st, 2006 at 4:35 pm

Jon, kindly revisit Mr. Verzola’s statements when you have time, NEVER HE SAID THAT HE IS CERTAIN, ONLY POSSIBILITIES. Possibility is pwedeng tama, pwede ring mali!

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freewheel

June 21st, 2006 at 4:48 pm

Namfrel’s precint-level volunteers are, without doubt, passionate in their pursuit for a clean and reflective of people’s will elections. Not a few lives were wasted, unfortunate as it is, to make this point particularly true every election time.

Namfrel’s HQ rank and file personnel who manned those computers are, still, possibly not a party to the grand, and elaborate charade.

Namfrel’s bosses who FED those rank and file personnel spurious and corrupted data, ought to be exposed and identified- if not outright, banished from this world.

Calling all 2004 Namfrel HQ staff, to come forward and help us identify those culprits. Help us here validate further Mr. Verzola’s initial findings.

Tanging sa ganitong paraan lamang natin mabigyan ng hustisya ang mga napaslang na precint-level volunteers sa paniniwalang nasa eleksyon ang tinig ng botante maririnig ang kanyang adhikain at pangarap para sa Inang Bayan.

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gwaping

June 21st, 2006 at 4:55 pm

You did it right, Freewheel, my salute to you!

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joselu

June 21st, 2006 at 7:49 pm

freewheel, beleave me, if there really was any conspiracy done by any party, matagal na that story came out.
I still beleave in the NAMFREL volonteers.
I beleave that Verzola is just being reckless.
Like I already said, why does he not go file a case against the people he is pointing an accusing finger
The point is desperate people will pick on anything & anybody just to insist on the figment of their imagination & obsessions.

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Toro

June 21st, 2006 at 9:37 pm

A nationwide conspiracy of school teachers to commit fraud? How many teachers? A thousand, ten thousand, two hundred thousand? There are more than 215,000 precincts nationwide. That’s an unfair overly presumptuous and sweeping accusation to make based simply on a hunch. Why not substantiate with warm bodies of teachers who were involved in the conspiracy so there will be no room for skepticism. Verzola accuses Namfrel of cheating so be it, but does he have to indict the entire profession of teachers too without naming names?

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Alecks Pabico

June 21st, 2006 at 10:59 pm

Toro,

Verzola wasn’t indicting the teachers. If you’ve read his paper, his bringing up the argument that teachers possibly conspired to aid Namfrel in false trending was meant to point out its absurdity in explaining the existence of a selective pattern in Namfrel’s tabulation. So was it with the other argument with respect to Namfrel volunteers.

The most probable explanation he therefore considered was that some Namfrel officials were behind the selective tabulation.

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Alecks Pabico

June 21st, 2006 at 12:43 pm

Gwaping,

Did you even bother to read his paper? It should help to enlighten you that the Namfrel tabulation was done at its national tabulation center in La Salle Greenhills. The center was manned by Namfrel officials, not by low-ranking volunteers.

In fact, Verzola posited three possible causes for the clear pattern of selective tabulation and false trending:

1) a nationwide conspiracy among teachers to give without hitch the Namfrel copy of election returns in Arroyo areas and to delay/deny them in FPJ areas;

2) a similar nationwide conspiracy among Namfrel field coordinators or volunteers; or

3) one or a few Namfrel officials in the national tabulation center, deciding which returns to tally and which ones to delay or to reject.

Verzola said he considered all three possibilities but decided that the third was the most probable one, especially since key Namfrel officials have acted defensively and stonewalled his requests for precinct breakdowns in 71 of its 83 reports — actions he found inexcusable.

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tongue in, anew

June 23rd, 2006 at 7:20 am

If you want some beef on Namfrel’s alleged questionable impartiality, call up Arnold Clavio in his morning radio show in DZBB. I’m sure you will get what you are looking for. He was a volunteer for Namfrel (was it in Tondo) while a cousin was monitoring the tabulations in Pasay, Manila and ParaƱaque.

Arnold complained to Mel Lopez why they weren’t tabulating according to the returns, the reply that he got was something like, “If we do that, we will lose!”, or something similar. Arnold was apparently shocked but knowing the guy, that didn’t stop him so he complained to my cousin. He was told he will have a look at it.

That was the first and last election my cousin volunteered for Namfrel. Not even JoeCon’s persuasions made him return. Probably, Arnold Clavio, too.

For the other volunteers who choose to stay, just do what you are supposed to do. There are still more noble volunteers than those leaders who have their own interests to preserve. You are heroes in your own right.

But do keep an eye on the guy who receives the fax, the guy who receives the 6th copy, and the guy who delivers the papers to the encoders.

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presintado

June 23rd, 2006 at 9:38 am

Kaya nga gusto makita ni Verzola ang breakdowns ng lahat ng reports, para maipakita na ang posibilidad na sinasabi niya ay nangyari. Paano makakatiyak ay sila nga ang may hawak ng data na makapagpapatunay sa alegasyon? Malinaw na hindi naniniwala si Verzola na kasapakat ang lahat ng NAMFREL volunteers at sa trending. Tama si tongue in anew doon. Malaki ang NAMFREL at hindi ko sinisisi ang mga taong buo pa ang tiwala sa institusyong ito. Kung tiwala pa rin kayo kina Joecon, Gus Lagman at Bill Luz, tatlong tanong lang

1. Bakit pinauwi lang ang NAMFREL volunteer from Lanao na nagsumbong na may dayaan? The NAMFREL I believed in would have rooted this whole thing out.
2. Bakit hindi inungkat ng NAMFREL ang malalaking discrepancies sa tally nila at sa tally ng Comelec?
3. Bakit ayaw ibigay ang breakdowns ng lahat ng reports, kahit required ito ng Comelec?

Yung binubuong grupo ni Verzola ay mga citizens nga, kung lahat ng may concern, itetext ang resulta sa presinto niya at makikita nilang lalabas ito sa internet automatically (software ito, Verzola is an electical engineer and IT expert), hindi na magagawa ng NAMFREL officials ang trending na ganito. May mga maninira rin ng proseso pero paniwala akong mas marami ang matitinong magtetext kaya macacancel out ang sinungaling.

Even some of the best intentioned people I know would condone cheating to prevent FPJ from winning. I think a middle class allergy to a “wa-class” president was enough to push some people to do what they can to ensure a GMA win despite their own principles. And I think now they know better, but would still not admit they bent the rules a bit.

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