September 15, 2006 · Posted in: 2004 Electoral Fraud, In the News

The Bolante Files

THE PCIJ was able to secure copies of documents in relation to the arrest and continuing detention of former agriculture undersecretary Jocelyn “Joc-Joc” Bolante in the U.S., which, until early this week, had remained shrouded in mystery.

Jocelyn 'Joc-joc' Bolante [photo courtesy of Rotary website] Last Monday’s news, however, revealed the official reason behind Bolante’s arrest last July 8 upon his arrival in Los Angeles, with the U.S. Embassy in Manila revoking his tourist (B1/B2) visa in light of the arrest warrant issued by the Senate for his role in the P728-million fertilizer fund scam.

Two letters from the Consular Section of the American embassy both signed by Karen Waltz Davis, Fraud Prevention Unit (FPU) manager, notified Bolante about the revocation of his visa, rendering it not valid for travel. The first notice was dated February 15, 2006 (download here), the second, March 20, 2006 (download here).

What is interesting is that despite these notices, Bolante, in his sworn statement, denied having any knowledge that his visa was cancelled. Read the three-page affidavit he issued before immigration officer Rene Arambulo.

Meanwhile, Bolante’s case has been transferred from the Northern District of Illinois to the Eastern District of Wisconsin, where it is assigned a new index number (06CV00907). As a matter of pubic interest, we will try to get hold of copies of pertinent documents as his case progresses.

27 Responses to The Bolante Files

naykika

September 16th, 2006 at 9:55 am

No wonder he was denied bail. Any U.S. judge has very or should I say, no respect for “liars” who lie while lying. And that’s your Mr. Bolante.

freewheel

September 16th, 2006 at 11:24 am

pero, pansinin mo ang palipat-lipat ng korteng hinihingan ng pabor.

una, arestado sa Los Angeles (LAX airport). pangalawa, humiling na ilipat ang kaso sa Detroit, kasi malapit sa HQ ng Rotary Int’l. ikatlo, sabi ni Alecks sa Illinois, at ngayon sa Wisconsin na naman.

hanep, kasi pera ng taongbayan malayang nakakapag-hanap ng kaibigang huwes? di ba, malinaw na uri ito ng forum shopping?

paano na yung pinadala ng UP Law Center, meron bang dalang pera yun para habulin sa mahigit 50 federal-states si Duke (of scams) Bolate?

plano yatang ikutin ang buong ‘Merika. di ba sabi nila ‘efficient’ daw ang ‘Merkano sa paglapat ng katarungan o kaya ding paikutin na parang turumpo?

joselu

September 16th, 2006 at 3:00 pm

Normaly a “canceled” visa means one is denied entry & told to take the next plane out.
I find it strange that an individual knowing his visa is canceled would still attempt to use it.
How is a “notice of visa cancelantion” transmitted to a U.S. visa holder?
Bolante seems to be treated as a person who broke U.S. laws.
But what laws can anyone break if you where denied entry in America.
Or are the Americans using Bolante for other reasons?
Can anyone really say what Bolante is being held for cuz the visa cancelantion is too shallow.

Uniffors- Life in Gloria’s Enchanted Kingdom » The noose awaits the neck

September 16th, 2006 at 3:33 pm

[...] In PCIJ’s continuing coverage of Joc-joc Bolante’s problems in the US, a clearer picture of what’s really going on is beginning to emerge. [...]

jr_lad

September 16th, 2006 at 7:02 pm

As what Joselu have said, Bolante with a cancelled visa should have been denied entry and sent home after his arrest but why is it taking so long for the US authorities to do it? Strange indeed. It seems a far-fetched idea but is it really possible that the US is using Bolante as a bait for the Subic rape case against the US servicemen? It was mentioned by the mother of the victim allegedly conveyed to her by the public prosecutors about that scenario if the victim does not agree to settle the case.

Naykika, as explained by an immigration lawyer, a person is not allowed to bail out if he has not entered any US territory yet prior his arrest like the case of Bolante since he’s just about to enter the US.

tongue in, anew

September 17th, 2006 at 3:43 am

Alecks, everyone:

The reason Jocjoc claims he has not seen the letters of his visa revocation is simply to establish a defense that he hasn’t been to his official residence and place of business, which I’m sure were the addresses where the Senate summons as well as the embassy’s notices were sent. He can thus say he has not seen the Senate subpoenas and therefore warrant was illegal.

“But what laws can anyone break if you where denied entry in America?”

You don’t have to be in the States to commit a crime against America. It’s that simple, isn’t it? If I shoot the ambassador here, do you think I will be allowed to enter US because I didn’t commit the crime there?

“Can anyone really say what Bolante is being held for cuz the visa cancelantion is too shallow”

Have you not read the papers? For your info let me highlight the following:

A copy of the affidavit filed by the US immigration officer dated July 8, 2006, Bolante was informed by INS Officer Rene Arambulo that his B1B2 visa had been revoked by the American embassy in Manila due to an outstanding warrant of arrest issued by the Philippine Senate. Bolante chose to be jailed in the US rather than be deported to Manila.

Moreover, George Bush had signed Presidential Directive 212 which denies safe haven in the US to “kleptocrats”.

Under Bush’s National Strategy to Internationalize Efforts Against Kleptocracy which he unveiled in the G-8 Summit in Moscow in August, Bush committed to provide legal frameworks and a global financial system that will reduce the opportunities for kleptocracies to develop and deny safe haven to corrupt officials, those who corrupt them, and the proceeds of corrupt activity.

Again, you do not have to be in America to commit a crime against the US.

tongue in, anew

September 17th, 2006 at 4:31 am

Freewheel, kahit na saan si Jocjoc magpakulong, uusigin pa rin siya by video conference. Trying to constantly move him around I assume is a ploy by Malacañang to avoid getting too much media attention, or the massing of anti-Gloria forces until it becomes a huge crowd. It was Malacañang that first announced that Bolante’s family wanted privacy and that they are giving them that, now that the hearings have become more transparent, nagladlad na ang mga kampon ng Donya at itotodo na ang pagtulong sa bulate. Hindi na nila kayang icover-up.

Magsaysay has written his counterpart in the US Senate the background of Bolante’s case to get them involved especially when there is a possibility that US Taxpayers’ money in the form of agrcultural aid had been stolen in a recipient country.

Jocjoc had since been denied bail, and his motion to reject Harry Roque’s amicus brief has the judge saying that he has considered it “under advisement”.

Hey look who signed the revocation letters, Ms. Karen Davis works at the FRAUD PREVENTION UNIT. I think that says it all.

The light at the end of the tunnel is fast approaching.

jay seneca

September 17th, 2006 at 5:49 pm

the way I see it Jocjoc has had enough time to think things over, was alone with his conscience, it’s better for him to remain in USA for more introspection and for members of his family to come to terms with what he has done. to be alone in a cell, is punishment enough for his family to think of where he is makes it difficult for them to move on with life.

if jocjoc comes back, the toothless senate could be embarrassed. the senate can’t put him in jail. he can even run for the senate and cheat his way to victory. He had laughed all his way to the bank, he can come back to the Senate laughing all his way to deliver his maiden speech.

freewheel

September 17th, 2006 at 10:32 pm

moving him around , is what that concerns me.

remember the Texaco vs. Pennzoil case? the latter as the complainant, approached several courts in several states to hear the case, but could not find a willing ear in the person of a judge initially.

until one day, break turned its way and finally found a judge willing to take the case, after previous failures. and won the litigation eventually…

parallels can be drawn here. the reason i suspect for his state-hopping is to find that ‘sympathetic judge’.

more questions unfortunately, therefore: is the Senate serious in its quest or is it just a show to appease an outraged public? does it extend financial support to H. Roque of UP Law?

does the US State Dept. FPU’s role ends when it cancelled Duke Bolate visa and claim (later?), it is now beyond its territory but of the INS?

finding a judge is always a distinct, and never remote, possibility given the Palace change of gears and now shamelessly admits that it is extending support–as far as imagination would allow (read Uniffors report above).

concerned citizens and advocates for a sane and sound government regardless of political leanings should take this issue without letup until its satisfactory conclusion.

to PCIJ, thanks for giving the fertilizer scam a closer look. more power!

tongue in, anew

September 18th, 2006 at 5:41 am

Freewheel, unlike the court proceedings here that we’re familiar with, one judge can assume jurisdiction over any and all petitions that a defendant may file. With Bolante, the hearings are a variety of cases handled only by specific courts.

Notice that when his counsels file a certain petition, sometimes, newspaper writers wrongly conclude that, for example, …the judge decided this but did not mention anything regarding this…when in fact, that judge is hearing only, say, his visa case while another hears his asylum case.

This Bolante case is really a complex one and he needs lawyers from the 4th biggest (most expensive?) law firm to represent him.

And possibly, co-conspirators Gloria and Mike, too.

jay seneca

September 18th, 2006 at 6:12 am

This new development in which jocjoc bolbolante offered to be a canary
if his visa is restored invites much speculation on what will be the best controlled response of the authorities
Senate’s Magsasay for example.

I think reaction or opinion should start with the premise of clear goals of truth and justice that must be sought for the country.

First, Should ferreting out the truth be enough and sufficient if it is established that large sums of money recovered from the Marcos loot and US AID to Filipino Farmers was indeed criminally malversed to cheat in the 2004 elections;

Second, that the anomaly was initiated by the fake President and /or her spouse and that truly the money was distirubted with a complete list of congressmen and local elected as well as appointed officials;

Third, that the true story behind the cover up and protection given in the visa disaster of bolbolante is widely disseminated to the public;

Fourth, that criminal charges be promptly repeat promptly filed against the culprits starting with jojoc bolbolante.
up to the fake president, govt officials and members of her family.

Fifth, truth and justice finally served only and only upon imprisonment of
bolbolante, the fake president, her spouse, etc.

NOTHING LESS SHOULD SUFFICE TO DISPROVE THAT TRUTH AND JUSTICE IN THE PHILIPPINES IS WORSE THAN A IMMORAL JOKE AND JUT TIIS.

Ellen Tordesillas » Blog Archive » Joc-joc offers to talk

September 18th, 2006 at 7:03 am

[...] He is lying. Karen Waltz Davis, Fraud Prevention Unit manager of the Consular Section of the US Embassy, notified Bolante of the revocation of his visa twice. The first letter was dated Feb. 15, 2006 (posted at http://www.pcij.org/blog) addressed to 320 Ma. Cristina st., Ayala Alabang, Muntinlupa. It’s the same address he used in his affidavit before the US immigration officer. [...]

joselu

September 18th, 2006 at 10:37 am

Jr_lad, I really hope not talaga but knowing America they would do anything to protect their interest.Sana way nga talaga.Cause it only makes justice so relative or just a bargaing chip.
Now there is even a gag order.Why kaya all the secrecy?
Seems like the States is just playing the “squeez game”.
Jay Senaca, how complex can a canceled visa can be? The visa was not even frudulantly obtained.
Like it or not there is no criminal case for Bolante here.
Yes, there is a senate arrest thing. But the senate represents politics & not the law like it or not.
Bottom line if they really have the goods then why is it up to this date no formal case has ever been filled?
persoanly, the Senate is the last place in this world where any truth will ever be known.
Entertained yes. But truth, that is another story.
This is just america playing it’s dirty games.
Once upon a time there where great empires that are just history today.

jay seneca

September 18th, 2006 at 5:50 pm

joselu replied:

Jay Senaca, how complex can a canceled visa can be? The visa was not even frudulantly obtained.

A VISA IN AN OFFICIAL OR DIPLOMATIC PASSPORT OF A NON-GOVT EMPLOYEE? DID HE USED A REGULAR PASSPORT?

WHO CAN REALLY RESTORE A VISA? BY WHAT AND WHOSE MACHINATIONS? IT’S A COMPLEX THING FOR THE LIKES OF PERRY MASON AND INSPECTOR POIROT. MIKE HAMMER WILL JUST SHOOT THE BASTARD. JOCJOC’s IS A MAFIA THING. WITH ALL THEIR LAUNDERED DOLLARS THEY CAN EVEN HIRE MARIO FUSO FOR ADVICE.

the truth as the people know is that THEIR STOLEN MONEY WAS RE-STOLEN, THERE WAS ALSO NO RESPECT FOR FRIEND UNCLE SAM, HIS MONEY WAS CO-MINGLED WITH THE LOOT.

REMEMBER AL CAPONE. SIMPLE TAX EVASION PUT HIM BEHIND BARS. IF PHILIPPINES WAS AMERICA IMELDA WILL CERTAINLY DIE BEHIND BARS BUT THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES WERE FILIPINOS NOT AMNERICANS.

WELL, IF AMERICA OR DUBYA WILLS IT, A SIMPLE CANCELLED VISA CAN TOPPLE THE EMPIRE OF THIEVES, LIARS AND CHEATS, NO NEED FOR STARWARS AND PHOENIX WILL NOT BE FOUND ONLY IN THE USA BUT THERE COULD A NEW PHOENIX OF ASIA.

martin_amdg

September 18th, 2006 at 9:51 pm

People like Bolante should be shot in Luneta or Hanged in Singapore or Beheaded in Saudi Arabia. People starve, countries fall, people revolt, governments fail, societies divide, precisely because of assholes like him.

Ambuot Saimo

September 18th, 2006 at 11:16 pm

Let’s be reminded here:

The right of an alien to travel or enter into another country is not a RIGHT but only a PREVILEGE. The host country prescribes criteria or determines who they can admit entry by issuing visa to the qualified alien-applicant.

On the other hand, if the applicant do not possess the qualifications his application is denied and the applicant has no other recourse. That’s why when you apply for US Visa and it’s denied you cannot do anything about it. Not even Gloria, the two Mikes, De Venecia- congress or supreme court for that matter.

Inasmuch as it is just a previlege, your being granted a visa is not an absolute guarrantee that you can enter that country. It can be cancelled anytime even for no reason at all and it does not matter even if you are a president/prime minister/dictator of your own country or just an ordinary citizen. (When Fidel Castro was “having good time” in Harlem after a speaking stint at the UN, Mayor Guilliani threaten to throw him out of the country by having his visa revoked.)

Bolante was issued a B-1/B-2 Visa (tourist/business visa) by the US Embassy in Manila. However, due to circumstances that occured after it was issued, they may have determined that his persona no longer conforme to the U.S.’ standard of who they shall admit entry into the US. It was cancelled and he was notified twice. But despite knowledge of the cancellation he travelled indirectly to the US probably thinking that the US is like Gloria-owned Pinas where they could pull string everything and he paid the price for that mistake. Note that the addresses in the notices and his Statement given to the immigration officer at LAX Airport are the same. He cannot argue successfully that he was not aware of the cancellation.

As to transfer of cases: Under the Federal System, there are criteria that needs to be satisfied to confer federal court’s jurisdiction over a civil case such as when a case involves a federal questions; diversity (when the litigants are not from the same state;) and the amount of subject matter or controversy is more than $75,000.00 If these requirements are not met you have to file your case in the State Courts only.

However, Federal Courts have exclusive jurisdiction over immigration cases such as this case. Since the Federal Courts are divided into many District Courts (sometimes there are 4 federal districts in a big state like New York) an immigration case can be transferred by the court itself or by motion to any of these Districts by reason of judicial economy or convenience of the witnesses, etc.

But irrespective of who handles or where the case is transferred, you can rest assure that it will be disposed based on the merits of the case. U.S. Federal Court judges have life tenure.

tongue in, anew

September 19th, 2006 at 5:05 am

Joselu: Jr_lad, I really hope not talaga but knowing America they would do anything to protect their interest.

Me: In this case, America is teaching us a lesson or two about protecting the interest of one’s country, not the interests of a kleptocrat.

Joselu: Yes, there is a senate arrest thing. But the senate represents politics & not the law like it or not.
Bottom line if they really have the goods then why is it up to this date no formal case has ever been filled?

Me: Wrong. The senate represents politics AND law. That is their constitutional mandate. My God, it is not the Senate who should file a case. Ex-SolGen Frank Chavez has filed a complaint in the Ombudsman 2 years ago and it is now “doing a Mona Lisa” there, according to him. You know the lyrics – “…They just sleep there, and they die there…”

The first journalist who exposed this anomaly, Marlene Esperat, was murdered in Davao, and even her case remains unsolved.

It is the Ombudsman who shall file a case, NOT THE SENATE, since the crimes were committed while Jocjoc was still a gov’t official. You shouldn’t blame the Senate for the incompetence or conspiratory inaction of Malacañang and its piglets.

Joselu: This is just america playing it’s dirty games.

Me: This is Big Brother America giving a helping hand to Litttle Brown Bro in getting rid of a dirty regime.

jester-in-exile

September 19th, 2006 at 12:11 pm

“Joselu: This is just america playing it’s dirty games.”

here’s an analogyi hope will be at least comprehensible to one of your intellectual level, joselu, however loose it may be:

if you donate money to a charity, and a secretary runs off with the check, and this secretary goes to visit your house, wouldn’t you try to keep the thief in your custody until the cops finally come to arrest him? wouldn’t it be the idiotic thing to do for someone to question why you’re holding him?

unless, of course, you will argue that since you’ve already donated the money, you shouldn’t care where it goes once it leaves your hands.

a rather retromingent point of view, i say.

joselu

September 19th, 2006 at 1:48 pm

jester, over kill ka naman, all i said is i hope there is no truth that the Bolante thing is not being used for other reasons. knowing americca & how they protect their interest.
this Bolante thing might just end up like the garci episode tht after he finaly appeared in congress nobody was able to squeeze anything from him.don’t worry ssoner or later Bolante will show up too.the question is how to prove all these things on him.
no need of your exsamples, as if your so sure of everything you think that your exsample is perfect.

tongue, as far as i’m concerned the senate is just a circus of resultless endless investigation that seem to compit for prime time ratings.
it’s just a senate that acts like a super police agency & does not legislate anything in proportions to the tax payers money put into it.
politics does not care about right & wrong & above all of justice. politics in this god forsaken country has only one interest “me & my agenda alone” everthing else is a performance that sells well w/ the pinoy public. cuz we don’t seem to be result oriented anyway.
tongue, get real, lets not bs the constitution w/ constitutional mandate mambo jumbo. any constitution is as good as how it is used for the good of the nation & not “individual agendas”
i relly hope you can see the difference when something is being used for the good of the majority or for just some personal ambitions.
we can be so legalistic & everybody knows the constitution like the palm of his hand that we can get so suckered to forms & performances.
hehehe your so naive that america does anything for free, i guess your motto is “i love america”.sana naman if you really need such a “big brother” get someone w/ less interest to protect.

jay seneca, wow naman jay, u have been reading so many adventure things. i still say how complicated can it be.bolante a regular visitor to america get into a complicated thing
one thing sure there are many things going on that we can’t imagine.then the american scan nail him for money laundering. the thing is their not.
it seems bolante has been so demonized just like garci and at the end just like garci once he went public, his accusers could not prove anything. will this be the case also w/ bolante? just asking.

jester-in-exile

September 19th, 2006 at 3:40 pm

“it seems bolante has been so demonized just like garci and at the end just like garci once he went public, his accusers could not prove anything.”

true, joselu. the madam in the whorehouse called malakanyanayan made sure that the evidence was deemed “insufficient in substance”.

joselu

September 19th, 2006 at 5:09 pm

jester, the bottom line of everything in life is to prove things & not be slaves of our perceptions imaginations & fantasies. bolante may be as guilty as hell but it has to be proven.i can never go along certain ways of making conclussions based on anything but the truth.we seem to be a society of shoot first, demonized to the max & ask questions later.personaly if i where bolante i would not allow myself to be insulted & humiliated by the kind of senators we have who enjoy “feasting” on others & pushing around their weight.There is just something so wrong the way our politics goes.

joselu

September 19th, 2006 at 5:17 pm

jester, nobody really knows what “evidence” there is or if it’s as you say “insuficiente in substance” or whatever your refering too.
it’s easy to accuse & demonize but proving things is all together another matter.
if we listen to all the allegations going around then we will not be able to do the more important things in life.we will be forever be quarelling & argueing to no end!
we seem to be acting like God who knows & sees everything. yet we draw our conclusions from who knows where.
if our attitudes are the most intelegent ways then why dont we seem to get anywhere?

tongue in, anew

September 20th, 2006 at 5:59 am

My God, I don’t even believe you’re saying that.

You always say, “as far as I’m concerned….” which makes it your selfish opinion, however wrong it may be, its foolish to question one’s foolish opinion made from foolish assumptions.

Even that excuse, an official Malacañang line, of the Senators’ supposed grandstanding for media mileage is an overused rational for the assholes in the Palace to avoid the Senate hearings and have failed to convince people to take Malacañang’s side against the Senate.

Me, get real? I’m as real as desert sand in Sahara. Who, in fact, is fake? It’s your idol, she is fake as a whore who climaxes on a half-inch dick.

The Senate belongs to the legislature, no quarrels there, but it’s useless writing laws that the implementor does not itself follow.

Imagine yourself as a traffic policeman directing vehicles in EDSA. What do you do when no vehicle is heeding? A mentally-healthy policeman like me would leave my traffic-directing chores for the moment and pull-over violators for questioning and if warranted, issuance of the necessary tickets.

I don’t “love” America by your definition. But, I ADMIRE America for it’s making sure laws are upheld and not twisted because one was caught cheating and stealing.

I’ve noticed though, that when confronted by facts, like the one I mentioned regarding the Ombudsman’ sleeping on Jocjoc’s case, your predictable response is always to point the discussion to another direction. I’ve always tried to stoop down to engage you in a discourse on facts, yet you choose to stay in your comfort zone of blasting the opposition and take refuge in your false conclusions guarded by “as far as I’m concerned” or non-issues like “America playing it’s dirty games” when the real issue is clearly, “Did Jocjoc siphon agri funds to Gloria’s campaign?”

Only fools have a different version of truth. I’ve wasted enough time already, may your god bless you.

jay seneca

September 20th, 2006 at 9:10 am

does anybody know about the murder
of the lady journalist in Mindanao who initially exposed the anomalies in the
Dept of Agriculture? Wasn’t Bolbolante or jocjoc (bulbul in tagalog not visaya) implicated in that case, that made Jun Magsaysay really mad and determined to go after Bolante? I think murder is worst than stealing the peoples money. That lady journalist was reported to have been murdered in front of her young children, inside her home.

Moises Padilla is to Magsaysay Sr. while
Esperat is to Jun Magsaysay? WAKE UP JUN MAGSAYSAY. HANG ON. THIS TIME NEEDS NO COLONEL LANSDALE. SEE THAT JUSTICE IS DONE TO ESPERAT AND HISTORY COULD BE A CIRCLE.

joselu

September 20th, 2006 at 2:44 pm

tongue, it’s just an opinion, to conclude that it is selfish is over acting, it like saying any opinion that does not agree w/ yours is selfish.who are you to judge?
perhaps you adore the senate.it’s w/in your right to do that.i would not brand you selfish.
tongue, like it or not the senate is about a lot of media mileage.
my point is that the senate is really one big failure.
when they arrive to the point that they have to threaten, hunt & arrest their “prey to feast on”. i think they are bordering in desperation & pushing their weith to far.
i have my doubts weather the senate has failed to convice anybody about anything.it’s hard to beleave that senators are being taken really seriously.
We are all witnesses to the “senate circus”they surely can entertain but as to being a source of “convincing truths” you must be joking.
the bottom line is if anybody has broken any law. then they must be charged in the court of law & not be used for a political show.is there anything wrong w/ that?
i’m not into the idol business.i also have to business in what you consider fake or whatever.you do and think what makes you happy.
my issue is about the senates performance or the utter lack of it.
yes the senate belongs to the legislature.so let it legislate laws * not turn itself into a “super investigating” body that gives no results & leaves everything hanging.
they seem to be doing only what they like to do & twisting everything to their whims & whatevers.
yes tonge, let the cops do that, but senators must legislate & work on policies.problem is they wanna do everything.they project themselves w/ supper powers that have nothing or very little to show at the end of the day.
tongue, in reality at this point there are really very few things that can be considered facts. lets face it, there is so much speculations, perceptions, imaginations, fantasies.
normaly facts are things that come out in a court of law & surely not in a senate.
it’s only a court of law that can verify everything beyound the shadow of a doubt.at this point w/ the bolante isse we are distant from that yet.what we really have are millions of allegations and a deep dislike & hate that fuels so many more things that still have to be proven.
in reality it’s difficult to have a discourse when we are dealing w/ perceptions.
my opinion has always been not to jum to conclussions w/o having fully verified facts.
i think you must take things in context.when i mentioned that part of the “dirty american…..”. the context was that i was saying, “sana naman wag…” it was hopping that justice would not be compramised & turned into a bargaining chip.you can go back to what i wrote.i don’t know how your reading & comprehesion is.
do you know that as you judge others as fools or selfish makes you also just as if not more then the judgment you make on others.
perhaps you fill yourself so superior that you think you have the monopoly of truth.
never mind na the God bless part.it’s inconsistent w/ the judgments that you let go already.
but don’t worry, i understand.
this is just a venue of ideas & opinions although contrasting.